|From:||FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>|
|Date:||Sat, 30 May 2009 05:38:50 +0000 (GMT)|
I am sorry. I agree with you.Frustration overtook me. Let me add my comment on semantic primitives under a separate posting.
Regards, and appologies
From: Patrick Cassidy <pat@xxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, 30 May, 2009 3:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Past, Present, and Future of Ontology
Generalizations such as those below are entirely unproductive in any discussion attempting to communicate objective knowledge. If there are any criticisms of particular projects, they should be specified in detail. Please don’t waste our time with unverifiable indictments of unnamed individuals, or worse, entire communities.
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FERENC KOVACS
My pleasure. It is enjoyable to read your comments.Now the next question pops us, why have ontologies at all? Ontologists have no idea of the domains, they are intruders in any specifics. They do not either have a clue what translation or semantic analyis of Natural Languages is about, and those busy in producing MT software and TMs are also incompetent as translators. What they do is to produce rubbish to be corrected by professional translators who are well educated in the relevant domains in both languages, if they are abut at all. Localisation and MT software are a clear means of exploiting translator talents and they are a curse not a blessing for the free lancers. What you have here is surplus money finding another niche to fleece intellectual property. Translation memories are a simple theft and the colonialisation of the knowledge created by slaves through translating.
Not very long ago I found a US society busy in the augmenting or accelerating intellect/intelligence. Their image of the future of the US was openly a cast system with different classes of people with different access rights to digitally coded knowledge. When I blew the whistle by sending the link around, they deleted the website, but their friends and associates are still about. So if I were Dick, I would not press my ideas for recognition by such a lot, even though he may be right in many respect in his idealis strives. The current method of discussion on this forum makes not much sense either, especially, because you would expect more compassion from people trained in logic or the disciplined mind. But instead of clarifying and defining each term, one by one and proceed step by step, you (THE FORUM) have a habit of firing at each other by citing and giving references on literature. This will take you nowhere just as editing Wikipedia, where you cannot have a word without giving your sources: Metrics and falsification dislodge common sense and listening skills. Science is being abandoned worldwide for the irrational, the emotional, the alternative and the underground. All because you have a Harvard produced elite and a tight academic world of the old boys network who bribe politicians for financial support in the name of progress and sustainability.
This worl is trying to make us outsiders believe that the western culture based on the perfection of precision targeting in nano and cosmo levels as part of its collision culture will never pass out, but grow all the time (like a balloon, of course, just as the derivatives). And indeed, a united or integrated ontology under circumstancs when two academics or scholars cannot even on what the words meaning or context mean is a pitiful ambition. What they produce for the translatioin trade is none the less more meritable.
From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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