JS: "I was one of the first people in the computer field to use the word
'ontology' (in my CS book, copyright 1984 and published at the end of 1983).
In my 2000 book, I surveyed the range of ontologies from Aristotle to the
present, showed how they were interrelated, and proposed a framework for
integrating and relating ontologies."
John, you know that i never meant you. Indeed, your contributions to the use
of ontology in computer science is enormous and priceless. And your
commitment to the cause of knowledge generalization and representation
encourages all of us, regardless of your extreme criticism of ontology
standards. Sometimes, it happens with us when the mood rules the reason,
however great. (01)
JS: The best we can do is to organize all of them in a common framework and
let the researchers and developers use them, test them, relate them, combine
them, extend them, refine them, and demonstrate how and whether they can
support the goals we would like to achieve.
> Do you know anything better we could do?
No, I have nothing at this time. I have to agree with your very sensible and
feasable proposal. Just one wish, to hurry with its implementation,
otherwise we have a bad/good chance to suffer the unwelcome "standards"
imposed by self-appointed standards bodies.
Azamat Abdoullaev (02)
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> Azamat,
>
> Standards are extremely important when we know exactly what it is
> that we should standardize.
>
> AA> The worldwide communication network for financial transactions
> > become possible just due to developing COMMON STANDARDS and
> > OPERATION PROCEDURES...
>
> The methods and procedures of the banking industry have been
> under development for about 500 years. They reached a high
> level of sophistication long before computers were invented,
> they were readily moved to punch card equipment, and then to
> modern computers.
>
> That is an excellent example of a narrow domain for which the
> concepts, relations, procedures, and methodologies were very
> well established. It was an ideal subject for standardization.
>
> AA> To argue against such an unusually sophisticated subject as
> > standard ontology without some fundamental knowledge of things
> > is just shooting the breeze, which is also sometimes good,
> > while sitting in a seaside fish taverna.
>
> I was one of the first people in the computer field to use the
> word 'ontology' (in my CS book, copyright 1984 and published at
> the end of 1983).
>
> In my 2000 book, I surveyed the range of ontologies from Aristotle
> to the present, showed how they were interrelated, and proposed
> a framework for integrating and relating ontologies. Following is
> a copy of what I wrote in my previous note to Pat C. and others:
>
> JFS> Proposed compromise:
>>
>> 1. We design a repository of ontologies together with a facility
>> for discovering and representing all generalization and
>> specialization relationships among ontologies.
>>
>> 2. As part of that project we include all upper-level ontologies
>> that anyone has ever invented.
>>
>> 3. We encourage you and Azamat and any others who have great visions
>> for the future to work on your foundations and to demonstrate
>> their value in relating the narrow ontologies.
>>
>> 4. At every stage of development, developers with practical problems
>> can choose whichever contributions are appropriate for their
>> current project(s). Their results will validate some directions
>> and show that others are less promising.
>
> Note that I explicitly mentioned you and Pat. I firmly believe that
> your ontologies are just as worthy of inclusion in the hierarchy as
> Cyc, SUMO, Dolce, BFO, or many others, including my own.
>
> But I don't believe that any ontology as currently formulated is ideal.
> No general upper-level ontology has demonstrated the ability to support
> the goals that Pat and others have claimed for them.
>
> The best we can do is to organize all of them in a common framework
> and let the researchers and developers use them, test them, relate
> them, combine them, extend them, refine them, and demonstrate how
> and whether they can support the goals we would like to achieve.
>
> Do you know anything better we could do?
>
> John
>
>
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