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Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology

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From: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:33:39 -0500
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Its up to you.    (01)

If you want to make a whole new set of pages with just a link from the 
page that the ontology forum gave us, go ahead.    (02)

There is all kinds of stuff on the opening page and it is a wiki; Change 
it if you want, add to, reword what I put up if you think the tone is 
too negative. I am not sure that I discussed your ideas but if I did, 
add a link to your pages with a note to counter what I wrote.    (03)

The wiki does not belong to me any more than it belongs to you
.
If I wanted to do something that was just for me to edit, I would put it 
on one of my blogs.    (04)

I am not promising that I will be convinced in the end that your idea is 
practical but I encourage you and anyone else here who wants to work on 
it, to do so. I respect your persistence and your willingness to put the 
effort into explaining your idea and adding details to it..    (05)

My staff will admit without too much prodding, that I am not always 
right. I am aware of the possibility so I do not try to suppress ideas 
to early in their life but I do not hesitate to point out objections 
that must be dealt with.    (06)

My view of your proposal is that one of 3 things will happen.
1) It will die as the details get discussed.
2) It will find funding as the project gains shape and acquires a following
3) It will morph into something that a number of people can support and 
work together on to get funding.    (07)

I do not know if there is a better wiki for working on this idea but if 
there is, put a link on the ontology wiki to direct us to it.    (08)

Ron    (09)


Patrick Cassidy wrote:
> Ron,
>    If there  are any who are interested in actually refining such a
> proposal, it might be appropriate to put it on *some* wiki.  The one you
> created seems to have a focus on discussing formal standards, with a side
> activity of deriding in satirical terms any effort of the kind I have been
> discussing.  The proposal I have been discussing is not aimed, in the first
> instance, at creating a formal standard, but at creating an FO that is in
> fact used by a broad community of application developers.  If it proves
> useful, it may in time be incorporated into a formal standard.  You seem to
> have missed the point of the whole discussion related to the consortium
> effort.
>
> If we do get some constructive discussion that would be appropriate to
> include in a summary of such a proposal, I will create a Wiki for that
> purpose, and a pointer from the existing page.  Anyone else is free to
> create a page for that purpose, but I would like to see what kind of
> discussion we get before deciding whether it needs a wiki to ingest.
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick Cassidy
> MICRA, Inc.
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>
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Wheeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:16 AM
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology
>>
>> Can you put this on the wiki so that it can be worked on
>> collaboratively.
>> As it gets fleshed out perhaps it might grow into an entire section
>> with
>> multiple pages. I would suggest that the content below is already 3
>> pages (Intro, Motivation and Goals/Process) and could be 4 very easily.
>>
>>
>> I admit to being personally sceptical but I think that if we are going
>> to discuss this, let us at least do it in a professional way with
>> detailed plans and concrete objections/issues recorded in a
>> dispassionate fashion.
>>
>> This is a good start and I hope that we can all treat it as a serious
>> point of view deserving serious effort both in raising issues and in
>> solving them.
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>     
>
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