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From: paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:26:16 +0700
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Thanks Azamat

for the neat explanation below

 AA  'domain of discourse' or 'universe of discourse' has two widely practiced technical senses: [...]

and

[PH] No, really. Using OWL or RDF does not restrict your domain of discourse at all. That is, it does not restrict what you can write assertions about: it does not restrict your topics or subject-matter.

OK, agreed, thanks (perhaps I should have said  W3C representation of the universe of discourse)

[PH] But the W3C is actively trying to extend this set of standard ontology languages, and actively trying to establish links and connections between it and other notations in use on the Web (cf, the active projects to link RDF to HTML, including GRDDL and RDF-A). But it all takes time. If anyone has any ideas on how to improve this situation, everyone will be delighted to hear them.


Pointers to this list as to where to direct energies in that direction may be welcome..


cheers
PDM



aa
1. "universe or domain", the object of study, also subject matter, content, matter, or reference class, the set of all entities to be assumed or described, as ontological universe, mathematical universes, physical universes, social domains or technological domains.
2. "discourse", the set of all ground terms and constructions in some discourse, as linguistic discourse or logical discourse, the range of quantification in mathematical logic, as Herbrand universe or the SW ontologies.
 Now, the real world is the universe (of discourse) and subject matter of all factual sciences; the world of symbols, signs, terms and expressions is the (universe) of discourse and subject matter of mostly formal sciences.
There are two complementary knowledge areas with potentially unlimited universes of discourse, in the both senses, ontology and logic. The object of logic is the whole of discourse; namely the formal elements and patterns and forms of discourse about everything and anything, without reference to the real world. The universe of discourse of ontology is reality itself with its features and aspects, which identifies the fundamental elements and patterns and forms of all things (Universe), as the being of everything and anything.


ph
No, really. Using OWL or RDF does not restrict your domain of discourse at all. That is, it does not restrict what you can write assertions about: it does not restrict your topics or subject-matter. Not even in the slightest degree. What it does restrict you to, of course, is using OWL or RDF syntax to say what you want to say, and that indeed is a restriction of a sort; but not a restriction to a domain of discourse. 

As to that second point: of course, any set of standards amounts to a restriction to use those standards. I fail to see how things could be otherwise, pretty much from the definition of "standard". (Wouldn't you have expected that a "SW ontology editor" would want you to edit ontologies written in a SW standard language? Why else would it be called a SW editor? There are plenty of other ontology editors for ontologies written in other formalisms.) But the W3C is actively trying to extend this set of standard ontology languages, and actively trying to establish links and connections between it and other notations in use on the Web (cf, the active projects to link RDF to HTML, including GRDDL and RDF-A). But it all takes time. If anyone has any ideas on how to improve this situation, everyone will be delighted to hear them. 

Pat


, as far I understand what was intended above....

PDM

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