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Re: [ontolog-forum] to concept or not to concept, is this a question?

To: Doug Holmes <dholmes@xxxxxxx>
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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:46:11 -0500
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>On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote:
>
>>  Ingvar Johansson wrote:
>>>  When we simply speak about the world and are
>>>  immediately understood, we need not mention either meanings or 
>>>  concepts.
>>>  But if communication breaks down, questions such as 'what do you 
>>>  mean?'
>>>  and 'what concept do you have in mind?' comes naturally.
>>
>>  Honestly?  Have you ever heard a question like 'what concept do you 
>>  have
>>  in mind?' in a situation other than after your using the word 
>>  'concept'?
>
>Frequently, and in some cases, the term is quite technical["jargon"]; 
>in others, it is a handy generalization.  Military persons, for 
>example, speak of an "operations concept" that is a fairly 
>significant portion of a military plan has specific parts; plays a 
>particular role; is distinct from other operations concepts and is 
>expected to - and often does - create some pretty concrete effects.    (01)

So whatever that is, it isn't what this thread 
was talking about, since the latter concepts are 
in people's heads and cannot get out.    (02)

>Engineering persons speak of system concepts to describe a 
>significant portion of system requirements and use it to - eventually 
>- build reliable artifacts. Down the road from, in Hollywood, people 
>buy and sell concepts.    (03)

Another very different kind of thing, apparently, 
barring a new form of slave traffic.    (04)

Pat    (05)

>  Etc., etc.  If one were to create an ontology 
>for any of these domains, those people would almost certainly think 
>some important things were missing...
>Doug
>>
>>  vQ
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