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Re: [ontolog-forum] to concept or not to concept, is this a question?

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From: Waclaw Kusnierczyk <Waclaw.Marcin.Kusnierczyk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:35:59 +0200
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Ok, this does answer the question.
Empirically, then, Ingvar was right.    (01)

vQ    (02)


Doug Holmes wrote:
> Well, yes; I have heard questions like "what operations/system/ 
> artistic/etc. concept do you have in mind?" in situations in which I  
> did not introduce or use the word "concept".  Usually, in those  
> situations there are productive ways to answer the question and  
> advance the conversation.
> Doug
> 
> On Jun 14, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote:
> 
>> Doug Holmes wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ingvar Johansson wrote:
>>>>> When we simply speak about the world and are
>>>>> immediately understood, we need not mention either meanings or
>>>>> concepts.
>>>>> But if communication breaks down, questions such as 'what do you
>>>>> mean?'
>>>>> and 'what concept do you have in mind?' comes naturally.
>>>> Honestly?  Have you ever heard a question like 'what concept do you
>>>> have
>>>> in mind?' in a situation other than after your using the word
>>>> 'concept'?
>>> Frequently, and in some cases, the term is quite technical["jargon"];
>>> in others, it is a handy generalization.  Military persons, for
>>> example, speak of an "operations concept" that is a fairly
>>> significant portion of a military plan has specific parts; plays a
>>> particular role; is distinct from other operations concepts and is
>>> expected to - and often does - create some pretty concrete effects.
>>> Engineering persons speak of system concepts to describe a
>>> significant portion of system requirements and use it to - eventually
>>> - build reliable artifacts. Down the road from, in Hollywood, people
>>> buy and sell concepts.  Etc., etc.  If one were to create an ontology
>>> for any of these domains, those people would almost certainly think
>>> some important things were missing...
>> All fine;  but you haven't addressed the question...
>>
>> vQ
>>
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