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Hi Sean,
In the OASIS Emergency Management Technical Committee, starting
with our experience in developing the Common Alerting Protocol, and
later with the Emergency Data Exchange Language Distribution Element
(EDXL-DE) and EDXL HAVE (Hospital AVAilability Exchange) and EDXL-RM
(Resource Messaging, we have developed a specific element type, the
ValueListType. The issue of eventType in the EDXL-DE specifically
required this, as did the various mutable categories of message
senders and recipients.
The ValueListType specifies that messages cite a reference to a
published and maintained list, e.g. an XML-type namespace," that
is then used for the appropriate list of eventTypes, for instance, and
the specific eventType names are then used. The eXtended MetaData
Registry (XMDR) which extends ISO 11179 is the exemplar for
jurisdictions (local, county/municipalities, states/provinces,
nations, etc., Emergency Operations Services-EOS) to use to publish
their own lists. We are now in the process of building guidance for
the use of these ValueListURNs.
BTW, Hi Sean. It has been a pleasure working with you on
EDXL-HAVE, and if you can squeeze us into your schedule, it would be
enormously helpful since Sukumar has left COMCARE and is having little
time to carry the work forward, while I'm mostly swamped with EDXL-RM.
However, regardless, the work goes on.
Cheers,
Rex
At 9:25 AM +0100 6/7/07, Barker, Sean \(UK\) wrote:
I should declare an interest. Among other jobs, I am
vice-chair of a CEN workshop on a tactical situation message structure
for emergency response and disaster management. This includes a
controlled vocabulary structured a set of trees, one for each element
of the message. One particular problem is that of defining an 'event
code', that is, what sort of event is being dealt
with.
The issue identified was that no single event code
structure would work, since each emergency service has a different
structure of codes. Analysis suggests that the event code is selected
through a (probably implicit) decision procedure based on the factors
involved in the incident, such as the cause (flood, fire...) or the
'actors' in the incident (train, wild animals...). In some cases these
factors are used as a heuristic to determine the sort resources that
the event needs - e.g. a road traffic accident is an indicator of the
types and numbers of casualties (multiple trauma), and the sort
of equipment needed to deal with the incident (compare to 'flood').
Since the emergency services supply different sorts of capabilities,
they can come to very different conclusions as to the nature of the
incident.
For example, in the UK, the Bunsfield fire was the
biggest fire in Europe since the Second World War, and from the fire
view point was a major incident, requiring resources from across the
UK over several days. From the ambulance view point, it would be a
minor incident, since there were very few
injuries.
That is, I don't think that "event" can be
represented by a single ontology, and that it should be
represented by a set of factor ontologies (for scale, cause and actor)
for which there is some measure of agreement. Further, that what
should be codified is the upper ontology, such that the ontology can
be extended by subclassing for the local situation - for example, the
upper ontology class "wild animal incident" might be
subclassed in Africa to "Elephant rampage", but that is not
a code we would use in the UK.
Any thoughts?
Sean
Barker
BAE SYSTEMS - Advanced Technology Centre
Bristol, UK
+44 (0)117 302 8184
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Rex and all
I met Renato Iannella a couple of weeks back, and we have had informal
chats as to how to proceed with this project, and we are now exploring
possibilities. Today he is inviting W3C members
to join this task, I ll pass this onto this list in case someone is
interested in helping with this effort.
( come in please!)
http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement
Rex,
We have suggested to Sahana's project leads to set up tests for EDXL
within Sahana, will let you know if something happens of it
(I am still not happy with the term 'disaster management' but I guess
that's a formality that can be dealt with later?)
Cheers
Paola Di Maio
On 4/28/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Paola,
Testing is the intent. That's exactly what we want for the
specifications. Testing the Reference Information Model will be a bit
more challenging since its usefulness lies in being the source of
common abstract components for the EDXL family. As such it will always
be evolving, as will the individual specifications. We are well into
the first stages of collecting requirements for the next version of
CAP and EDXL-DE, though, to be honest, I really hope we keep bringing
in more fresh recruits, with more energy than some of us who are now
working on their fifth and sixth and seventh specifications seem able
to muster. I've got about two or three more specs left in my tank, and
then I will seriously need a break.
Cheers,
Rex
Well
I cant think of a better way of giving feedback on a standard
than trying it out
I was thinking some kind of user test
of course in addition on any other input that people may have off the
top of their heads
PDM
On 4/28/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I can't speak for the TC, but getting this far was a big
hurdle, so I
don't want to make it seem like the TC is ready for further steps,
even if I personally happen to be in favor of such testing.
Cheers,
Rex
At 10:42 AM -0700 4/27/07, Peter Yim wrote:
>Just to clarify ...
>
>> [PDM] .... we have established that a
schema IS NOT an ontology, ...
>
>[ppy] who are "we" ... and when was this
established?
>
>If you are referring to OntologySummit2007, then I afraid the
>statement is misconstrued ... I think it was repeated many
times
>during the summit proceedings that "we were not there to
identify what
>"is" or "is not" an ontology, or even to
define "what is an ontology"
>.... we were only there to see how we could better understand
>"ontology" and
"ontology-related"/"ontology-like" artifacts.
>
>Regards. =ppy
>--
>
>
>On 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx < paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> Dear Rex and all
>>
>> thanks for pointers
>>
>> I have circulated the edxl review period link to
peers before, I think it
>> might be useful to test it againt specific use
cases
>>
>> Indeed this is important
>>
>> I wonder if we could use this opportunity as a
testbed for the proposed
>> framework
>>
>> Should we create a conceptual link between the
edxl schema to a bigger
>> picture for EM.
>>
>> I mean, we have established that a
schema IS NOT an ontology, and that an
>> ontolopgy HAS schemas, right?
>>
>> would this be a useful exercise to plot this
schema into a bigger, yet to
>> become, em picture made of entities and
relationships and peoples and things
>> would this help people understand why
edxl is important?
>> (I am still thinking of joining the EMTC btw,
long 'to do' list)
>>
>> PDM
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for posting this to the Ontolog Forum,
Paola,
>> >
>> >
>> > Since I work with Renato regularly in the
OASIS Emergency Management
>> Technical Committee (EM TC), if he attends this
conference, he can certainly
>> pass along the views of our TC and the
SC I co chair where we toil away on
>> EDXL-RM and are awaiting the set of specification
requirements from our
>> experts group.
>> >
>> >
>> > This brings up the first topic I would like
to see passed along at this
>> conference. EDXL-RM (Resource Messaging is in its
60-day Public Review
>> period. It will still be in the active review
period during the conference.
>> The URL for the announcement made to the Ontolog
Forum is
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-04/msg00006.html
>> >
>> >
>> > The announcement includes URLs for the
document in several formats and the
>> pubic comment form. The URLs include the zipped
package XSD files and it is
>> especially important to note that all
of the imported-cited specifications
>> and examples are included for the convenience of
implementers and reviewers.
>> >
>> >
>> > Last note that Renato can pass along is the
fact that the EM TC is
>> undertaking the development of the Emergency Data
Exchange Language
>> Reference Information Model (EDXL-RIM) which will
include an RDF Schema and
>> an OWL-DL specification in addition to the
now-conventional XML Schema, so
>> we are actually moving to the next level for
structured information
>> standards in providing an ontology for the
abstract reference information
> > model that unifies existing EDXL specifications
and can be used for writing
>> the upcoming additions to the EDXL family.
>> >
>> >
>> > That does not mean that it is not an uphill
struggle. TCs are notoriously
>> literal-minded and stay close to the concrete, but
getting agreement to make
>> this first step is a milestone in my opinion, and
we have been working
>> towards this for quite a while now.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Rex
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 4:59 PM +0700 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
wrote:
>> > Dear all
>> > [apologies for cross posting]
>> >
>> > Following the ongoing discussion in this
community, and latest thread on
>> w3 list, I have been considering how best to bring
the
> > > emergency management ontology to the
industry discussion table, (other
>> than starting a war)
>> >
>> > Although I have not yet succeeded to have the
topic included in the
>> conference agenda
, peers attending ISCRAM in
Delft Holland 13-16 next
>> month also consider the discussion important, so I
am touching base with a
>> couple of people with the idea of setting up a BOF
with the aim to get to
>> know each other and exchange ideas
>> >
>> > I am personally not likely to be in the
conference (considering my topic
>> of interest has not been included) but I'll try to
hang around a couple of
>> days in the neighborhood so that we can get the
discussion going, and
>> hopefully have it included in the future official
editions of the
>> conference.
>> >
>> > I take this chance to invite anyone on this
list or colleague, especially
>> those likely to be physically in the region who
may want to come out for an
>> emergency drink, to flag their
interest, so that we can keep you posted of
>> our whereabouts
>> >
>> > Feel free to
forward Renato's email below, sent to w3
list
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Paola Di Maio
>> >
>> > FORWARDED
>> > Hi all - a few of us attending the ISCRAM
Conference have proposed a
>> > BOF on "Ontologies for Emergency
Management"
>> > which is receiving lots of interest from the
community and standards
>> > groups.
>> >
>> > See < http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement > as an
>> example.
>> >
>> > If you are interested, the please email me
directly and we will
>> > arrange for appropriate logistics at
Delft.
>> >
>> > Cheers...
>> > Dr Renato Iannella
>> > Principal Scientist
>> > NICTA, Level 19, 300 Adelaide St, Brisbane,
QLD, 4000 AUSTRALIA
>> > [t] +61 7 3000 0484 [f] +61 7 3000 0480 [m]
+61 4 1313 2206
>> > [e] renato@xxxxxxxxxxxx [w] http://nicta.com.au [i]
aim:renatoi2003
>> > [v] skype:riannella
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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