John
I am interested in exploring your proposed distinction between umwelt (UW), its rough equivalent
lebenswelt (LW) and InnerWelt (IW), as possible categorization of reality based on the subjective or objective stance.
When I try to categorize an object or entity based on this scheme
however, I seem to end up concluding that most things exists at both
levels, although they are characterized according to different
peroperties. Say a mountain: its physical (UW)
classification would consider its mass, height and geophysical
characteristics, its (IW) classification would
perhpaps consider its meaning, political, historical, personal memories
and poetic associations?
Assuming that we accept a degree of relationship between reality and
truth (as we discussed non linear in the real world, although reality
can be expressed with truth values) I wonder if a similar
categorization could apply to the truth hierarchy that Azamat
proposes. Ie, what truths pertain to the UW and what to the IW?
Surely there are overlaps, dichotomies and dependencies between the two stances
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| TRUTH | UM/LW? | IW? | w/LW/IW? |
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| logical (truth resides in ideas, tautologies); |
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| mathematical (truth is validity or coherency, axioms); |
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| semantic (truth is meaning); |
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| verbal (truth of words or speech); |
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| factual or empirical (physical, chemical, biological, and social); |
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| moral norms and imperatives; |
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| poetic or fictitious truths; |
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| religious truths (divine verities). |
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On 5/19/07, John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ken,
I mostly agree with your comments, but I just wanted to add
a few clarifications:
> "Lebenswelt" is the set of mental models to which I've been
> referring - and thus is distinguished from the reality in the
> way I think John means.
Husserl was using the word 'Lebenswelt' for the perceived world,
which is based on one's percepts, which could be considered part
of one's mental models. But I'd hesitate to identify them by
placing the word 'is' between 'Lebenswelt' and 'mental models'.
For two related German words, I'd suggest the title of an important
book by Jakob Johann von Uexküll, which was published in 1909:
_Umwelt und Innenwelt der Tiere_
The word 'Umwelt' is the usual German word for 'environment',
but Uexküll used it in a sense that is sometimes translated as
'subjective universe' of humans and animals (Tiere, in German).
The word 'Innenwelt', literally 'inner world', would probably
be a better equivalent for "the set of mental models". That
would enable a three-way distinction:
1. The world as it actually is (
i.e., reality).
2. The world as perceived by any individual of any species
(his, her, or its Lebenswelt or Umwelt).
3. The world as modeled by any individual (the Innenwelt).
> Rather than saying "scientifically God does not exist ...", I'd
> rather say that consideration of God is outside the realm of science.
I have two quibbles about that discussion:
1. If you ask people who either believe in God or don't believe
in God how they define the word 'God', you won't find any two
who give exactly the same answer -- and usually the answers
they give are so wildly different that it's almost impossible
to find much, if any similarity. (If you think the discussions
about reality are confused, they are crystal clear in comparison
to whatever definitions you'll find for the word 'God'.)
2. Given any definition whatever, I would hesitate to say that it
is impossible to find any scientific evidence for or against
the existence of anything matching such a description. And some
definitions are so vague (e.g., Einstein's) that it's almost
impossible to deny that whatever they might refer to exists.
John
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