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Re: [uom-ontology-std] FW: Quantity kinds

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From: "Rijgersberg, Hajo" <Hajo.Rijgersberg@xxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:00:32 +0200
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Dear Ed,    (01)

I have to admit, it is confusing. First of all, I do not think that a unit of 
measure is a quantity. I know that unit of measures are ultimately defined in 
terms of quantities, but, to my understanding or perception, that is not the 
same as that a unit of measure would be a quantity.
Second, I would like to learn more about the term "kind" as it is used in VIM. 
Probably, then I will get to understand the use of the term better. Again, if 
someone could send me a link, I would be very grateful.    (02)

Best regards, Hajo    (03)

________________________________    (04)

Van: uom-ontology-std-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx namens Ed Barkmeyer
Verzonden: vr 4-9-2009 19:29
Aan: uom-ontology-std
Onderwerp: Re: [uom-ontology-std] FW: Quantity kinds    (05)



Sorry.  What I wrote was probably more confusing.  See correction below.    (06)

Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
> Rijgersberg, Hajo wrote:
>  
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please allow me to make a remark about quantity kinds. Hopefully this 
>discussion is appreciated; it is solely meant to be constructive, with the aim 
>of working together to achieve a high-quality vocabulary.
>>
>> Let me get to the point. I think we should not define a separate class 
>"quantity kind". "Kind" is an implicit part of the ontology language; classes 
>are meant to model "kinds". We should not deviate from this principle, but 
>exploit it.
>>
>> So not, for example:
>>
>> "length of my table" ---"has quantity kind"---> "length"
>> "length of my table" ---"is a"---> "quantity"
>> "length" ---"is a"---> "quantity kind"
>>
>> but:
>>
>> "length of my table" ---"is a"---> "length (quantity)"
>> "length (quantity)" ---"is a"---> "quantity"
>>  
>>    
> The problem is that we wish to call out certain subtypes of "quantity"
> as having interesting properties.  For example, "unit of measure" -- "is
> a" -- "quantity"
> but NOT  "unit of measure" -- "is an instance of" -- "quantity kind"
>  
I should have written:
  "unit of measure" -- "is a kind of" -- "quantity"
but NOT "unit of measure" -- "is a" -- "quantity kind"
> Every "quantity kind" is not only a subtype of quantity, but it must
> also satisfy:  If K is a "quantity kind" and x and y are any two
> instances of K, then x and y are comparable.
>
> A 'quantity kind' is a classifier whose instances are classifiers of
> quantities (ontological 'kind's of quantity) that also satisfy the above
> requirement.  If you find the use of 'kind' to be confusing in this
> regard, we could call it a 'quantity frazbot', but VIM uses the term
> "kind of quantity" with this intent.
>
> -Ed
>
> 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone,
> 'it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.'
>   -- Lewis Carroll (C.L. Dodgson), "Through the Looking Glass"
>
>      (07)


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National Institute of Standards & Technology
Manufacturing Systems Integration Division
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Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8263                FAX: +1 301-975-4694    (08)

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