Dear David, (01)
Thanks for your words.
I have to admit the example is quite complicated. There are a number of
questions that appear to me, please allow me to ask them:
1. Maybe the most important question is (and probably only for my information
and understanding): why do we base the vocabulary on VIM? (I'm very interested
in studying VIM, but couldn't find the document. Could someone please send me a
link?) There are also other documents that we could base our vocabulary on.
2. But then I ignore VIM, and repeat myself: couldn't we have: (02)
"length of my table" ---"member of" ---> "length quantity"
"length quantity" ---"subclass of" ---> "quantity" (03)
This is in accordance with some standard documents I know. (04)
3. Also, according to these documents, e.g. "1.3 metre" is not a quantity, but
a measure. (A quantity is like a variable, it is a reference to a value, like
"1.3 metre".) (05)
Again, hopefully this discussion is appreciated; it is meant to be
constructive, with the aim of working together to achieve a high-quality
vocabulary. (06)
Best regards, Hajo (07)
________________________________ (08)
Van: uom-ontology-std-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx namens David Leal
Verzonden: vr 4-9-2009 16:51
Aan: uom-ontology-std
Onderwerp: Re: [uom-ontology-std] FW: Quantity kinds (09)
Dear Hajo, (010)
I agree with the need to converge on a high-quality vocabulary. Until now we
have been attempting to define the concepts and to relate them to the
vocabulary of the VIM. This is a necessary first step, but once we are clear
about the concepts we can suggest alternatives to the vocabulary of the VIM
which are more in line with the usual approach in ontologies. (011)
The four quantity concepts proposed by Ed
(http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard#nid20L3) seem
to be where we have got to. With respect to these four quantity concepts,
and their VIM derived names, we have: (012)
"length of my table" ---"member of" ---> Q1 ("particular quantity")
"length of my table" ---"member of" ---> "length as a class of particular
quantity"
"length of my table" ---"member of" ---> "1.3 metres" (013)
"length as a class of particular quantity" ---"member of" ---> Q2 ("kind of
quantity - as class of particular quantity")
"length as a class of particular quantity" ---"subclass of" ---> Q1
("particular quantity") (014)
"1.3 metres" ---"member of"---> Q3 ("magnitude of quantity")
"1.3 metres" ---"member of"---> "length as a class of magnitude"
"1.3 metres" ---"subclass of---> Q1 ("particular quantity")
"1.3 metres" ---"subclass of---> "length as a class of particular quantity"
"1.3 metres" ---"expressed by---> ("1.3, "metre") (015)
"length as a class of magnitude" ---"member of" ---> Q4 ("kind of quantity -
as class of magnitude")
"length as a class of magnitude" ---"subclass of" ---> Q3 ("magnitude of
quantity")
"length as a class of magnitude" ---"subclass of" ---> ---"powerclass
of"---> "length as a class of particular quantity" (016)
("1.3", "metre") ---"member of"---> "quantity value" (017)
Alas this is quite complicated with four different meta-levels. Your
proposal is a useful subset of this. There are probably other useful
subsets, which may be why past discussions have failed to reach consensus. (018)
Best regards,
David (019)
At 12:41 04/09/2009 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Please allow me to make a remark about quantity kinds. Hopefully this
>discussion is appreciated; it is solely meant to be constructive, with
>the aim of working together to achieve a high-quality vocabulary.
>
>Let me get to the point. I think we should not define a separate class
>"quantity kind". "Kind" is an implicit part of the ontology language;
>classes are meant to model "kinds". We should not deviate from this
>principle, but exploit it.
>
>So not, for example:
>
>"length of my table" ---"has quantity kind"---> "length"
>"length of my table" ---"is a"---> "quantity"
>"length" ---"is a"---> "quantity kind"
>
>but:
>
>"length of my table" ---"is a"---> "length (quantity)"
>"length (quantity)" ---"is a"---> "quantity"
>
>Best regards, Hajo Rijgersberg (020)
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