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Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit 2014 Hackathon - Optimized SPARQL

To: Victor Chernov <vchernov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ontology Summit 2014 discussion <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 03:35:43 -0700
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Thank you, Victor.    (01)

I will review this later today, and will post whatever statement(s) to
your Hackathon Project Page (on the OntologWiki) as appropriate,
before your Symposium presentation tomorrow.    (02)

Regards. =ppy
--    (03)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Victor Chernov <vchernov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Peter,
> We used the following licensees:
> Virtuoso: GNU General Public License.
> Stardog: Stardog Community License.
> NitrosBase: NitrosBase Non-Commercial End-User License.
> The licenses for the products we used are attached here.
> Regards,
> Victor
> mailto:vchernov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ===================== 26.04.2014, 18:45:57: =====================
> Thank you very much for highlighting this potential issue, Mike.
> Yes, our prevailing Open IPR Policy and practice do apply to
> contributions during the Ontology Summit process - see:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32
> We do, on occasions and prior to the event, grant waivers, in the
> interest of providing a broad exposure of the state-of-the-art to the
> community by inviting the participation and presentation of
> proprietary material.
> To help clarify whether we are still in conformance to this Open IPR
> practice, maybe VictorChernov can help us by listing the IPR owners
> and Applicable Use License of the various products involved in your
> hackathon project.  (In case some of them turn out to be proprietary,
> at least we should retroactively apply and clearly indicate the
> appropriate "waiver.")
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> --    (04)

> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Mike Bergman <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Since my first exposure to the Ontolog Forum, Peter in particular has
>> been an active steward to keep discussions clear of any proprietary or
>> product-oriented discussions.
>> The "hackathons" appear to me to be an backdoor way to promote and
>> discuss certain tools and products in a less than transparent way, and
>> in violation (as I understand it) of the forum's neutrality on such
>> matters. One could say anyone could participate in these hackathons, but
>> the choice of timing, topic, lead and so forth also can effectively
>> penalize any vendor that has not the time, direct interest or window to
>> participate.
>> I really have no idea what is exactly going on with this specific
>> activity, but I am really quite bothered by what I perceive to be a
>> biased and parochial tone. To my mind, there is clearly a conflict of
>> interest in a specific vendor writing reports under the guise and
>> implied endorsement of the forum.
>> I encourage the forum to re-think how it is handling these matters.
>>    (05)

>> On 4/25/2014 10:10 AM, Victor Chernov wrote:
>>> We modified the report. The following important notes added:
>>> /Virtuoso and Stardog representatives expressed their disagreement with
>>> our results.
>>> According to Virtuoso opinion it was necessary to configure their
>>> triplestore before the experiments. Unfortunately there were no
>>> participants from Virtuoso. Configuring Virtuoso without them would be
>>> time consuming, we have experimented with the default settings.
>>> For Stardog we could not adjust the Native API without presence of
>>> Stardog developers, and had to use dotNetRDF that works through HTTP.
>>> Strictly speaking that does not meet the announced topic of the research.
>>> In view of the above, we present only the results NitrosBase.
>>> Nevertheless, the results of Virtuoso and Stardog were used by
>>> participants in the discussion as an additional confirmation of
>>> ontological database performance problems.
>>> /The report can be downloaded from
>>> http://nitrosbase.com/wp-content/uploads/OptimizedSPARQLreportV12.zip
>>> Regards,
>>> Victor
>>> mailto:vchernov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx    (06)

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