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Michael Gruninger
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Quoting Paul Tyson <phtyson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>: (05)
> On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 02:04 -0500, Adrian Walker wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> "Communication between computer programs is under completely different
>> constraints...."
>>
>
> No, I didn't write that, McDermott did. I included it in the quote for
> the contrast with the previous paragraph. His ensuing paragraph, which I
> didn't quote, goes into a bit more detail about the differences.
>
>>
>> Agreed. But step back a moment and look at the whole picture. If
>> people cannot understand the communications between programs, then
>> errors of design or coding (or simply an unforseen circumstance) can
>> quickly wreak havoc.
>>
>
> Certainly for the human interface portion of systems, but certainly not
> for inter- and intra-program communication. Only software engineers must
> understand the latter, and their job is not to screw it up, and they
> have (or should have) tools and practices to handle the important names
> they use.
>
> One of McDermott's themes in this article was that naming things in your
> program (or ontology) with "meaningful" terms from your favorite
> "natural" language doesn't make them so--certainly not to the computer,
> and only partially (and unpredictably) will they mean what you intend to
> your human readers, as he explained in the first paragraph I quoted.
>
> Regards,
> --Paul
>
>>
>> Slides 4-7 of
>>
>> www.reengineeringllc.com/WikiSOA.pdf
>>
>>
>> illustrate this, and suggest a mitigation.
>>
>>
>> -- Adrian
>>
>> Internet Business Logic
>> Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
>> Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
>>
>> Adrian Walker
>> Reengineering
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Paul Tyson <phtyson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> Tim, thanks for this gem. It should be required reading for
>> everyone
>> working in ontologies or semantics. While it is packed with
>> quotable
>> bits, this chunk is especially pertinent. (Hint: substitute
>> "ontology
>> designer" for "language speaker").
>>
>> "Language is only occasionally a medium of communication of
>> information;
>> even when it is, the ratio of information to packaging is low.
>> The
>> problem of a language speaker is to get the directed attention
>> of an
>> unprepared hearer and slide some information into his mind in
>> a very
>> short time. Since the major time sink is moving his mouth, the
>> language
>> sacrifices everything else to brevity, forcing the hearer to
>> do much
>> quick thinking to compensate. Furthermore, since the speaker
>> doesn't
>> quite know the organization of his hearer's mind, his phrasing
>> of
>> information and packaging must, except for the most
>> stereotyped
>> conversations, be an artwork of suggestiveness and insight.
>> "Communication between computer programs is under completely
>> different
>> constraints...."
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Paul
>>
>> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:50 -0500, Tim Finin wrote:
>> > The discussion of the symbols we use for namespaces reminds
>> me of this
>> > classic from nearly 40 years ago.
>> >
>> > McDermott, Drew. "Artificial intelligence meets natural
>> stupidity." ACM
>> > SIGART Bulletin 57 (1976): 4-9.
>> >
>>
>>
>http://homepage.univie.ac.at/nicole.rossmanith/concepts/papers/mcdermott1976artificial.pdf
>> >
>>
>> >
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