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Re: [ontology-summit] The tools are not the problem (yet)

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From: "Barkmeyer, Edward J" <edward.barkmeyer@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:12:24 +0000
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A namespace is just a technical mechanism for disambiguating otherwise 
homographic terms.  It is just a part of the term.  The one nominal constraint 
(consistent with its purpose) is that you don't have two terms that are 
distinct in their referents and homographic within the namespace.  There is no 
other well-defined semantics (ontological commitment) to 'namespace'.    (01)

Do we not all agree on this?  It seems Krzysztof and John are in violent 
agreement here.    (02)

-Ed    (03)

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> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] The tools are not the problem (yet)
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> There is no written ontological committment for the meaning of a
> namespace that I can find. Yes syntactically it is a URL. But I sure see
> difference between is:about and was:about, and do certainly expect
> different semantics between these. Just as I would for my:diet and
> your:diet, as I would for chevy:auto and ford:auto. So the namespace is not
> in any way irrelevant as a pointer to its meaning, as much as any name or any
> part of name, is irrelevant to the meaning of that so identified, which I 
>gather
> is the point you're wanting to say.
> 
> On 1/23/2014 11:21 AM, Krzysztof Janowicz wrote:
> > I think we may be misunderstanding each other. What I was trying to
> > say was that the namespace should not carry any meaning of the (to be
> > defined) predicates. The rdf(s) namespace is just a syntactic shortcut
> > for an URL. In your example of is:about and is:of, is would be part of
> > the predicate as it would contribute to its meaning.
> >
> > Best,
> > Krzysztof
> >
> > On 01/23/2014 11:18 AM, John McClure wrote:
> >> OK I was not responsive to your comment - apologies. I am hearing you
> >> say it's not ok to have a namespace that contains present-tense
> >> properties vs one that has past-tense semantics. Why is that a problem?
> >> It seems like a completely legitimate use of namespaces to me.
> >>
> >> On 1/23/2014 11:00 AM, John McClure wrote:
> >>> On 1/23/2014 10:43 AM, Krzysztof Janowicz wrote:
> >>>> Your 'is' proposal is a good example. I am not saying that you
> >>>> should take your 'issues elsewhere' just that namespaces are not
> >>>> linguistic expressions and that this is the reason why an 'is'
> >>>> namespace would most likely be rejected by the community.
> >>> I never said lingusitic I said syntactic. Please stop changing my words.
> >>>
> >>> On 1/23/2014 9:42 AM, John McClure wrote:
> >>>> I am using syntactic structures to connote important semantic
> >>>> information.
> >>>
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