Re: [ontology-summit] Large-scale engineered systems vs. large-scale soc

[Gary Berg-Cross <gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx>]

JackR
>If the caterpillars doesn't know about it then exactly where did that "larger system" come from?

We may be stumbling onto real ontological (and perhaps evolutionary) topics here...

I guess to frame my thoughts on where does a larger system come from I would say that a car may come into existence through a production system it know nothing about.  It may be driven on a road system it doesn't know about.  
A caterpillar comes into existence through a natural, evolved system.

Gary

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Jack Ring <jring7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I question the presumption of 'larger system' of which the caterpillar is supposedly part.
If the caterpillars doesn't know about it then exactly where did that "larger system" come from?
As near as I have been able to discover such 'systems' are 'fignewtons of someone's igmentary'
Accordingly, all 'systems' are man-made.

On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jack Park wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Does a caterpillar have to tell anybody anything to otherwise be a
> part of a larger system, be it engineered or sociotechnical, natural,
> or otherwise? How is that question related to the subject?
>
> JackP
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jack Ring <jring7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Gary,
>> Has any caterpillar ever told you he is going to become a butterfly?
>> On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:13 PM, gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> Jack....Wow.
>>>
>>> I do think of MUCH of natural phenomena as part of a system of related parts, which allows emergence from thise parts, for example.
>>>
>>> Gary
>
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