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Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"

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From: "Steve Ray" <ray@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:25:18 -0500
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My definition of "kind of ontology" is that which rules out the properties
quality and usefulness, but say might include 'degree of formality'.    (01)

But more seriously...    (02)

The use of a categorization structure that I had imagined (which is admittedly
only one of many possible uses) is to enable someone who has an ontology to
easily locate other ontologies that would lend themselves to be combined,
compared or merged. It would be difficult to merge two quite dissimilar objects
such as, say, WordNet and PSL, and this would be apparent from the
categorization.     (03)

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Depends on what you mean by a 'kind of ontology'. A kind of anything is usually
determined by the properties a thing has. Quality and usefuless are two
propertiese, there are many others that can give rise to a lattice of 'kinds of
ontologies'.    (05)

What do you mean by 'kind of ontology' that rules out the properties quality and
usefulness, but say might include 'degree of formality' or whatever else.    (06)

Mike    (07)



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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ray [mailto:ray@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:29 AM
To: 'Ontology Summit 2007 Forum'
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"    (010)

I would remind everyone that we are not trying to judge the quality or
usefulness of the ontology - we're trying to categorize what "kind" of ontology
something is. Thus, I would disagree with any of these suggested dimensions.    (011)

(Having said that, the NCOR Ontology Evaluation Committee welcomes such
suggestions)     (012)

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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"    (013)

Dear Patrick,    (014)

I agree that a simple linear scale is not appropriate. One of the questions I
have is what other dimensions are there?    (015)

How about:
- number of objects in the ontology
- number of users of the ontology
- intended and actual types of usage    (016)

as a few that might be relevant.    (017)


Regards    (018)

Matthew West
Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager Shell International Petroleum
Company Limited Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom    (019)

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http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/    (020)


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> Durusau
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> Subject: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I am concerned with the suggestions that it is possible to create a 
> continuum along which to organize what are known as "ontologies" in 
> one or more circles.
> 
> At least unless we are willing to concede that the creation of such a 
> continuum is itself an imposition of assumptions from an undisclosed 
> ontology.
> 
> I am sure there are those who would say that folksonomies are 
> "missing"
> features that are present in "formal" ontologies. Perhaps, but 
> folksonomies predate "formal" ontologies by several millenia and have 
> proven robust enough for many purposes. If the goal is to represent 
> the opinions of the many rather than the few, perhaps it is "formal"
> ontologies that "missing" features.
> 
> I am not taking a position one way or the other. But, I do think it is    (021)

> important to realize that any attempt to construct a continuum is with    (022)

> an unstated choice of a winner before the the continuum is populated.
> 
> Hope everyone is looking forward to a great weekend!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> --
> Patrick Durusau
> Patrick@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface 
> Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model Member, Text 
> Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005
> 
> Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work! 
> 
> 
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