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Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"

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From: <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:44:45 -0000
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Dear Steve,    (01)

Well most of the lineages I have seen have actually been about
the representation form of the ontology, and the expressiveness
of that form. I wouldn't think that had much to do with the
"kind" of ontology either.    (02)

If we were really talking about "kind", we probably ought to be
back to talking about 3D and 4D again...    (03)

So what are we trying to talk about?    (04)

Regards    (05)

Matthew    (06)

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of 
> Steve Ray
> Sent: 19 January 2007 14:29
> To: 'Ontology Summit 2007 Forum'
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"
> 
> 
> I would remind everyone that we are not trying to judge the quality or
> usefulness of the ontology - we're trying to categorize what 
> "kind" of ontology
> something is. Thus, I would disagree with any of these 
> suggested dimensions.
> 
> (Having said that, the NCOR Ontology Evaluation Committee 
> welcomes such
> suggestions) 
> 
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> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"
> 
> Dear Patrick,
> 
> I agree that a simple linear scale is not appropriate. One of 
> the questions I
> have is what other dimensions are there?
> 
> How about:
> - number of objects in the ontology
> - number of users of the ontology
> - intended and actual types of usage
> 
> as a few that might be relevant.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthew West
> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager Shell 
> International Petroleum
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf 
> Of Patrick 
> > Durusau
> > Sent: 19 January 2007 13:54
> > To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum
> > Subject: [ontology-summit] Defining "ontology"
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > I am concerned with the suggestions that it is possible to create a 
> > continuum along which to organize what are known as "ontologies" in 
> > one or more circles.
> > 
> > At least unless we are willing to concede that the creation 
> of such a 
> > continuum is itself an imposition of assumptions from an 
> undisclosed 
> > ontology.
> > 
> > I am sure there are those who would say that folksonomies are 
> > "missing"
> > features that are present in "formal" ontologies. Perhaps, but 
> > folksonomies predate "formal" ontologies by several 
> millenia and have 
> > proven robust enough for many purposes. If the goal is to represent 
> > the opinions of the many rather than the few, perhaps it is "formal"
> > ontologies that "missing" features.
> > 
> > I am not taking a position one way or the other. But, I do 
> think it is 
> > important to realize that any attempt to construct a 
> continuum is with 
> > an unstated choice of a winner before the the continuum is 
> populated.
> > 
> > Hope everyone is looking forward to a great weekend!
> > 
> > Patrick
> > 
> > --
> > Patrick Durusau
> > Patrick@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems 
> Interface 
> > Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model Member, Text 
> > Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005
> > 
> > Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
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