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From: John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:56:23 -0400
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On 4/21/2013 12:32 PM, Pat Hayes wrote:
> First, it is way too long and detailed, more of an essay than a
> communique. It is hard, I would suggest, for anyone to agree with all of
> it unequivocally. I feel like I want to nit-pick with the text all over
> the place.    (01)

I sympathize with Pat's concerns.    (02)

In particular, I very strongly agree with the following point:    (03)

> We do not have enough experience with ontology design and deployment
> to know what the objective standards of "quality" are, still less how
> to manage teams to achieve this nonexistent standard. We don't know
> what are the "activities that need to occur during the phases of a life
> cycle of an ontology", so to go on record with a detailed, confidently
> stated account which claims to be normative, is both inappropriate and 
>harmful.    (04)

I also believe that the technology is developing so rapidly that the
"best practices" of today are likely to be obsolete in 5 to 10 years.    (05)

> "Does the ontology follow best practices; in particular does it implement
> the upper ontology...." Whoa. Is it "best practice" to even HAVE an upper 
>ontology?
> That is not clear. Most Web ontologies, for example, are not subsumed under 
>any
> particular upper ontology. If our communique starts being used to justify 
>managers
> asking ontologists to conform to an upper ontology, we will have done far 
>more harm than good.    (06)

This is a very important point.  Even more important is the question
"What do you mean by an upper ontology?"    (07)

For an "integrating ontology" that is designed to enforce a standard,
a detailed upper ontology may be essential.    (08)

But for an ontology that is intended to support interoperability with
legacy systems, an upper ontology that it too detailed may actually
*block* interoperability.    (09)

> we read the almost plaintive remark "Generally, appreciation of the full
> life cycle of an ontology is not well established within the ontology 
>community."
> Damn right. In other words, none of this is based in actual reality. It is
> written as though it comprised observations about the right way to work,
> but in fact, it is not based on observations about how the work is ACTUALLY 
>done.    (010)

I'll admit that there are some cases where certain techniques were
actually implemented and found to be useful.  But it's not clear how
far those techniques can be generalized.    (011)

> You might start with CYC, the granddaddy of all large-scale ontologies.
> You will find that the process bears almost no relationship to the fantasy
> you describe here.    (012)

That is similar to a suggestion I have made repeatedly, but it has
usually been ignored.  I would much, much rather see detailed case
studies of systems that have actually worked -- including some that
have been tried and *failed* -- than read some vague generalities
mixed with a lot of wishful thinking.    (013)

John    (014)

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