Dear Rich,
So to summarise, you have no proof that we inhabit different worlds.
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Dear Matthew,
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In my view it is a really big thing to say that we do not together inhabit some common world. We might experience it in different ways, but to say that what we experience is different is quite another thing.
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Matthew West
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I am an avid psych lit reader, but not a psychologist. From my readings, I think most of what we experience is a reactivation of our memories, comprising a jambalaya of objects that are in some way linked either to the present stimuli, or to other memories of other linked stimuli.
I think of it as a DAG (directed acyclic graph) of AND and OR nodes with a "~" prefix to calculate the complementary NOT. In total, an AND/OR graph, with symbols and functions with parameter lists, all represented in the DAG.
The linkage, according to Chomsky, is a stored pattern with empty slots, or variables, that we fill in with bits and pieces of the current situation. We see this newly filled-in pattern, in many ways like the matching pattern along with links, within links, ..
So do we inhabit a commonly shared world?
We can never know that. We can share our knowledge and observations with other agreeable agents, and they with us, and we can even run confirmatory experiments to confirm or deny our own view of a theory, theirs or ours. But we can't really know if it is the SAME experience we have, or an experience of the SAME situation, because we are different observers, each with our own vast library of biases.
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Dear Kingsley,
On 6/30/15 9:21 PM, Chris Partridge wrote:
Not sure this is going to get us far, but I still cannot make much sense of "But the point is that none of it is about objective reality or objective truth. It is about the world as seen by the people and software that have to communicate." Don't we see/sense the same world?
No we don't.
[MW>] That’s a big statement. Would you care to back it up with some evidence, rather than just assume it is a self evident truth?
That's Ed's fundamental point. The very same point made by John Sowa, Patrick Hayes and others -- in a variety of posts over the years.
[MW>] I’m not sure I’ve heard them say that either. Care to give specific quotes?
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