Re: [ontolog-forum] Is Philosophy Useful in Software Engineering Ontolog

[Ravi Sharma <drravisharma@xxxxxxxxx>]

Tom

Very informative and thought provoking.

Scylla and Charybdis  - I had to look up as I never really read Homer / Iliad but read parts of Mahabharata, mythological book larger - more than 108000 verses.

Similarly my background begins with Philosophy from Vedas and Indian metaphysics concepts that often predate Greek thought albeit less well documented till new efforts have started now.

The reasoning, math and arithmetic, decimal, atomic concepts (from Vedas and Kanad), etc. are there in those concepts but there is no need to worry about who was first, one can adopt discoveries from everywhere.

The time is a cycle is a concept acceptable to some of us even if large cycles of times are related to each universe's or Era's lifecycle (Yuga).

Relating to RDBMS and time:

Time: Need to understand how time stamping will not take care of assertion time.

Validity of data depend on associated real business process that might be changed thus compromising semantics and meaning.

Can we address how ontologies will incorporate notions of temporality? Also Ed Barkemeyer may want to say about how these notions from your work and ISO are likely to impact / need harmonization with SBVR Date-time Vocabularies?

You have definitely presented a case for convincing that ontology engineers need not be afraid of philosophic thoughts engrained in us. Appreciate effort at convincing.

One example from old learning: stories are told that are complex in their temporal semantics and concatenating times in historic or past contexts - how will these relate to Aha's is a subject that would require more discussion and context setting.

What is the roadmap of temporal types evolution in future databases, especially in the context of Big data, columnar and indexed representations and further what if distributed.

A particular case astronomers and businesses use is to convert things to UT, etc.

Epistemological relativism might be ok to accept as in Buddhism for example, derived from Vedic nature of "reality" but I do not see our forum converging yet on Ontological realism.

Thanks for lot of thought and of course ideas captured in books written by you.

Regards,

Ravi

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Thomas Johnston <tmj44p@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Yet if we don't all "see the same world", then we're locked in our solipsistic private universes.

Epistemological relativity is one horn of the dilemma. Ontological realism is the other.

You have not yet passed between this Cylla and Caribdis by embracing one or the other.

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 6/30/15 9:21 PM, Chris Partridge wrote:

Not sure this is going to get us far, but I still cannot make much sense of "But the point is that none of it is about objective reality or objective truth.  It is about the world as seen by the people and software that have to communicate." Don't we see/sense the same world?

No we don't. That's Ed's fundamental point. The very same point made by John Sowa, Patrick Hayes and others --  in a variety of posts over the years.

We are individuals for a reason :)

Think of this as the cognition paradox .

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