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Re: [ontolog-forum] IPR issues [was: Predicate Collections for Semantic

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From: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:03:43 -0400
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Am I missing something.
These 2 posts do not seem to have any proprietary information in them
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00052.html#nid03    (01)

  seems to be a response to a specific request for information.    (02)

is too short and superficial to disclose anything that would be considered IP
As near as I can tell it was only an invitation to go and look at some 
information on another site which may or not disclose anything of value but 
what ever is there is already public.    (03)

I am not sure if this is of any value to anyone else but it does not seem to be 
any more "commercial" than many of the other products and approaches discussed 
here.    (04)

It is not very helpful to restrict the discussion in the forum to the point 
where one can not discuss work done that has any portion of it that is not open.    (05)

Most of us are sufficiently experienced to know that if we read something to 
the effect that "this part is open and this part is proprietary", we will be 
able to draw the appropriate distinction and be able to integrate the "free" 
bits into our thinking and perhaps into other open projects if it makes sense.    (06)

I am pretty sure that many of the technologies discussed here include some 
proprietary aspects    (07)

Lets go for more freedom rather than less in the discussion.
If people decide that a particular approach depends on a proprietary 
component, it will be clear from the discussion or lack of it.    (08)

Ron    (09)

On 13/07/2014 9:12 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> The issues at hand are:
> 1. your posts ( like:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00050.html &
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00055.html )
> are in breach of the ONTOLOG members' contribution guideline, where it
> is specifically stated that:
> //
> ... unless specifically requested/solicited by other community
> member(s), please make sure any commercial- or self-promotion material
> or reference are strictly limited to one's namesake page or a short
> signature block, and nowhere else as far as our open collaborative
> work environment is concerned.
> //
> 2. while you may use your own definition to interpret "open" when your
> readers are interacting with you on your IF4IT.COM site, you are
> expected to use ONTOLOG's definition of "open" or "free" ( please see
> again: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00052.html#nid03
> ) when interacting with other Ontolog members in the Ontolog CWE
> (collaborative work environment).
> 3. as previously mentioned, your "Open and Sanctioned Use Policy" is
> neither "Open" nor "free" technology, nor is that consistent with
> Ontolog's "open content" policy
> 4. ... and hence, my advice is that you should consider refraining
> from posting your work here, les you risk nullifying your own
> licensing policy (as a principal of IF4IT.com) or breaching the
> Ontolog Open IPR Policy (as a member of the Ontolog community.)
> 5. I would also note that "CIM" (the Company I am involved in, which
> has been donating some of the Ontolog infrastructure and services) has
> nothing to do with the IPR conversation here. This is all about
> Ontolog members' Contribution Guidelines and Policy, and the respect
> for such.
> Regards. =ppy
> Peter Yim
> Member of the ONTOLOG Board of Trustees
> --
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> Yes, I do remember our conversations and I’m aware of Ontolog’s posted
>> policies.  Thanks for the reminders and the links.  I'll certainly go
>> through them, again, just to be sure of terms.
>> Please know that, like many other participating CIM members, I’m very
>> careful and go out of my way to “not" post anything that is considered
>> proprietary to the enterprises I represent or any other organization, for
>> that matter.  And, I recognize that what I do discuss openly, in this or any
>> other community, is a matter of open conversation.  I do my best to be very
>> careful in separating anything that could be considered legal intellectual
>> capital from general conversation.
>> Also, I’m sure you're fully aware that referenced citations, quotes, and
>> links to materials and examples which originate and exist offsite and that
>> are not already original works of CIM do not, by law, constitute original
>> works of CIM, even if CIM’s documented policies were to state otherwise
>> (which I don’t believe they do).
>> As for the IF4IT's published definition of “open” and how it pertains to
>> Foundation published open material, in short, “open" means that people and
>> enterprises can use the material for “themselves" but simply cannot
>> interpret our brands or our works as their own nor can they directly profit
>> from them without explicit consent from the IF4IT.  We go out of our way to
>> separate what is “open” from what is “for profit."
>> Please know that when I publish links to to things like visual examples, I
>> know and am very clear on the fact that the visual representation of those
>> examples are not considered intellectual capital because, by law, no one can
>> claim “Look and Feel” to be intellectual capital, as per law suits such 
>> Apple vs. Microsoft.  And, if people wish to copy such look and feel, I wish
>> them the best in doing so and I’m even happy to help them do so, when I 
>> as we publish visualization source code to the open source community via
>> GitHub (we use d3js.org).
>> If there’s any concern or ambiguity, please always feel free to reach out
>> and ask, as I will always do my best to help.  In the mean time, please know
>> that I truly appreciate the Ontolog community and its members and that I
>> will share whatever I can (although, I find that there are far smarter
>> people than me in this community).
>> My Best,
>> Frank
>> --
>> Frank Guerino, Chairman
>> The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT)
>> http://www.if4it.com
>> 1.908.294.5191 (M)
>> On 7/13/14, 12:21 PM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hello Frank,
>> I believe we had communicated about this before (ref.
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-admin/2011-08/msg00002.html and
>> some of the offline exchange we had around that time) ...
>> I just looked through your "Terms of Use"[1] quickly, and can conclude
>> that your "Open and Sanctioned Use Policy" is neither "Open" (as in
>> the "Open Source Definition"[2], nor "Free" (as in the "Free Software
>> Definition[3]"), nor is that consistent with either the OpenContent
>> License:OPL-1.0[4] or the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA-3.0
>> (Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0) License[5].
>> I assume you are fully aware of the ONTOLOG contribution policy[6],
>> and by posting about your work and inviting contributions to it here,
>> you may nullify your own licensing restrictions or, at the least,
>> breach our Ontolog Open IPR Policy.
>> Please, again, review our (Ontolog members') Contribution Guidelines
>> and Policy[0], and in particular, our Open IPR Policy[6], and ensure
>> your posts are consistent with them.
>> Ref.
>>    [0] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid3LHV
>>    [1] http://www.if4it.com/LICENSES/master_agreement.html
>>    [2] http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
>>    [3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>>    [4] http://opencontent.org/opl.shtml
>>    [5] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>>    [6] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32
>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>> --
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