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Re: [ontolog-forum] IPR issues [was: Predicate Collections for Semantic

To: Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:12:48 -0700
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Hi Frank,    (01)

The issues at hand are:    (02)

1. your posts ( like:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00050.html &
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00055.html )
are in breach of the ONTOLOG members' contribution guideline, where it
is specifically stated that:
... unless specifically requested/solicited by other community
member(s), please make sure any commercial- or self-promotion material
or reference are strictly limited to one's namesake page or a short
signature block, and nowhere else as far as our open collaborative
work environment is concerned.
//    (03)

2. while you may use your own definition to interpret "open" when your
readers are interacting with you on your IF4IT.COM site, you are
expected to use ONTOLOG's definition of "open" or "free" ( please see
again: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2014-07/msg00052.html#nid03
) when interacting with other Ontolog members in the Ontolog CWE
(collaborative work environment).    (04)

3. as previously mentioned, your "Open and Sanctioned Use Policy" is
neither "Open" nor "free" technology, nor is that consistent with
Ontolog's "open content" policy    (05)

4. ... and hence, my advice is that you should consider refraining
from posting your work here, les you risk nullifying your own
licensing policy (as a principal of IF4IT.com) or breaching the
Ontolog Open IPR Policy (as a member of the Ontolog community.)    (06)

5. I would also note that "CIM" (the Company I am involved in, which
has been donating some of the Ontolog infrastructure and services) has
nothing to do with the IPR conversation here. This is all about
Ontolog members' Contribution Guidelines and Policy, and the respect
for such.    (07)

Regards. =ppy    (08)

Peter Yim
Member of the ONTOLOG Board of Trustees
--    (09)

On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Yes, I do remember our conversations and I’m aware of Ontolog’s posted
> policies.  Thanks for the reminders and the links.  I'll certainly go
> through them, again, just to be sure of terms.
> Please know that, like many other participating CIM members, I’m very
> careful and go out of my way to “not" post anything that is considered
> proprietary to the enterprises I represent or any other organization, for
> that matter.  And, I recognize that what I do discuss openly, in this or any
> other community, is a matter of open conversation.  I do my best to be very
> careful in separating anything that could be considered legal intellectual
> capital from general conversation.
> Also, I’m sure you're fully aware that referenced citations, quotes, and
> links to materials and examples which originate and exist offsite and that
> are not already original works of CIM do not, by law, constitute original
> works of CIM, even if CIM’s documented policies were to state otherwise
> (which I don’t believe they do).
> As for the IF4IT's published definition of “open” and how it pertains to
> Foundation published open material, in short, “open" means that people and
> enterprises can use the material for “themselves" but simply cannot
> interpret our brands or our works as their own nor can they directly profit
> from them without explicit consent from the IF4IT.  We go out of our way to
> separate what is “open” from what is “for profit."
> Please know that when I publish links to to things like visual examples, I
> know and am very clear on the fact that the visual representation of those
> examples are not considered intellectual capital because, by law, no one can
> claim “Look and Feel” to be intellectual capital, as per law suits such as
> Apple vs. Microsoft.  And, if people wish to copy such look and feel, I wish
> them the best in doing so and I’m even happy to help them do so, when I can,
> as we publish visualization source code to the open source community via
> GitHub (we use d3js.org).
> If there’s any concern or ambiguity, please always feel free to reach out
> and ask, as I will always do my best to help.  In the mean time, please know
> that I truly appreciate the Ontolog community and its members and that I
> will share whatever I can (although, I find that there are far smarter
> people than me in this community).
> My Best,
> Frank
> --
> Frank Guerino, Chairman
> The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT)
> http://www.if4it.com
> 1.908.294.5191 (M)    (010)

> On 7/13/14, 12:21 PM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Frank,
> I believe we had communicated about this before (ref.
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-admin/2011-08/msg00002.html and
> some of the offline exchange we had around that time) ...
> I just looked through your "Terms of Use"[1] quickly, and can conclude
> that your "Open and Sanctioned Use Policy" is neither "Open" (as in
> the "Open Source Definition"[2], nor "Free" (as in the "Free Software
> Definition[3]"), nor is that consistent with either the OpenContent
> License:OPL-1.0[4] or the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA-3.0
> (Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0) License[5].
> I assume you are fully aware of the ONTOLOG contribution policy[6],
> and by posting about your work and inviting contributions to it here,
> you may nullify your own licensing restrictions or, at the least,
> breach our Ontolog Open IPR Policy.
> Please, again, review our (Ontolog members') Contribution Guidelines
> and Policy[0], and in particular, our Open IPR Policy[6], and ensure
> your posts are consistent with them.
> Ref.
>   [0] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid3LHV
>   [1] http://www.if4it.com/LICENSES/master_agreement.html
>   [2] http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
>   [3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>   [4] http://opencontent.org/opl.shtml
>   [5] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>   [6] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> --    (011)

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