|From:||William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx>|
|Date:||Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:06:32 -0500|
Same deal here, except I expect no money, only some stress and I hope fun and I hope contribute.
Did you ever have clients who had trouble seeing that 'customer' was a role, and that so was 'vendor,' so that the vendor and customer might be the same company? (A japanese client once took a half year and paid a half million dollars to my company just to get this idea.)
Nothing wrong with the word 'attribute', or the way CHEN and now everyone uses it.
Ed, Sorry for the long reply. I was so excited by so many challenging deep questions.The short of it is very simple.
EXCEPT FOR Tthe BIG MISTAKE of thinking that a certain kind of thingie (say blue) IS an attribute, just because it **can play that role.**
instead of realizing that the thingie is PLAYING THE ROLE of attribute in an attributive relation, such as in say,' the sky is blue.' In another attibutive relation, the same thingie, blue, can play the role of attributed to, such as in 'blue is a color.' Again, these roles are parts of speech, and the same concepts flit like butterflies from one part of speech to the next, in the same language, and even really migrate like monarchs across languages.
Now, we can,as a matter of definition, say that some concepts are attributive, meaning that it is possible for them to play an attributive role, and others may not be. But that does not mean they can ONLY play that role. Otherwise, no langauge but English would be logical.
This, I have found, is a fundamental mistake in software engienering. Once people have decided to CAST something in a certain way, they decide that must be what it 'really is'. (All those tiresome arguments about what is 'really' an object.)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM, William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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