Re: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Charles Fillmore died at age 84

[William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, thanks so much

I had forgotten about this, it is a very nice piece

I would surely agree with John that there were similar insights long before.   For example, in Zellig Harris's transformational grammar, he would define a set of transformations like the different buy-sell-goods-cost structures mentioned in the article.  And Harris's EXPLICIT and oft repeated fundamental assertion was that semantics is included or mplicit in grammar, not separate from it, and he acknowledge Sapir as the originator of this though.  So, reading Lakoff say that he had begun to 'suspect' this, a generation and a half after Harris,  is, oh, I don't know, ....

Also, remembering frames from Fillmore led me to recall that Terry Halpin's excellent work in Object Role Modelling, and realize finally it is ***just so close to Filmore's work*** it is astounding.  Halpin even uses the same word 'frame' in the same way, to define a sort of deep structure for a 'fact type.' 

I do not believe they knew about each other's work.  I will ask Terry. 

Wm

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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From: Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Charles Fillmore died at age 84
To: Damion Nabarrete <damion.nabarrete@xxxxxxxxx>

Thanks for sharing yet another history event in play

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From: John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM
Subject: [ontolog-forum] Charles Fillmore died at age 84
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Chuck Fillmore, who is widely known for his work on case grammar and
related issues, died at age 84.  George Lakoff wrote a very nice
summary of his life and work:

http://georgelakoff.com/2014/02/18/charles-fillmore-discoverer-of-frame-semantics-dies-in-sf-at-84-he-figured-out-how-framing-works/

I agree with almost all of what Lakoff wrote.  My only reservation
is his claim that all the great ideas in cognitive science were
invented in the past 40 years -- and usually in some group in
which he participated.

Fillmore certainly deserves a great deal of credit for his work on
case grammar.  But the following articles provide some background
on related work:

Minsky's 1974 article on frames (see the bibliography):

    http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Frames/frames.html

My article on semantic networks:

    http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/semnet.htm

For my review of Lakoff's 1999 book (generally positive),
but with some criticism of his writing style:

    http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/lakoff.htm

John

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