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On 2/22/13 5:32 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
Kingsley Idehen wrote:
I
mean: it's a
bad thing to have apps as data
silo vectors.
Yes. But in my world, many apps are intended to be the master data manager for some part of the
enterprise. PLM systems want to be THE integrating
software for engineering, but they are
mostly just linked repositories. But at least someone realized that they
need to be linked to all the CAx systems
used in engineering, and an effort has been
made to make that as painless as possible.
15 years ago, all those CAx systems were
separate systems, and documentation
management and workflow management
and configuration and
version management (PLM functions) were
also separate systems.
In a similar way ERP systems gathered up
Finance, Procurement,
HR, etc. So now
what we have are big silos. I think there will
always be silos in some
form.
Yes,
there's always some
kind of partitioning.
That said, as you
know, standards and product architecture exist to enable
easy decomposition
of monoliths into loosely coupled
puzzle pieces etc..
But the mere
fact that the
enterprise has a handful
of big silos, rather than
25 smaller ones, makes the problem more tractable.
Yes, ultimately.
The
problem with
25 linked silos
is transaction
and
versioning
coordination.
Yes, when
dealing with the inevitable challenge of Create, Read, Write, and Delete operations.
> It's so bad that individuals and enterprises are
> (today) purchasing computing devices en masse for
which (as owners) they
> don't even posses 'root' privileges.
I think this means that corporations acquire and
install lots of computers for workers who lack the
privileges to do system administration. ...
I am
referring to the fact that organizations and people are acquiring iOS5 tablets
and phones for which they don't have 'root'
access.
OH!
OK. I agree that that can be considered a problem. But it
is a collision of business models.
Yep!
One the thrives while the consumer is transfixed by the
aesthetics.
The
vendor wants to sell you a service, not a
product.
Yes,
but you thought
you acquired a
product that
you actually own
and thereby control.
The product is simply a part of
the service, and the supplier can modify the product to improve
the service without physical contact
with the widely dispersed customers.
Yes,
but in doing so they make themselves and their customers
unnecessarily vulnerable. The consequences are profound
albeit temporarily cloaked by inattention and myopia.
The customer thinks he has a
product, and
if the product can do
more or different things from what the
supplier provides, why
can't the customer control the product
and make those decisions? Because it
isn't what he contracted
for. This is mostly an
education issue -- if
you want to buy and
control a product and
negotiate
for certain
services, that
is a
different
business
model. And if
ALL the
service
providers
don't want to
offer that
option, the
customer has
no choice. To
break that deadlock,
you
need a new
technology that
offers an
opportunity
for startups
who can offer
a product/service
relationship
the customer
prefers.
Yes!
The programmers are a handful of elves in the woods
who have little influence on any decisions about corporate
computing.
Not
so since the advent of the Open Source era. An unintended consequence, so to speak.
I think you
mistake the widespread use of open source software in research institutions and software houses
for use of open source software in industry. If industry is using open source software, it is because
the contractor they hired installed it.
It's
creeping in by stealth.
They just get the job of installing the chosen
products and making nice screen views for upper
management.
Pre Web, maybe, In my experience these days -- it's all
about code first and programming language oriented religious wars.
Again among the programmers in research institutions and software houses. Most of the population of the Webby
exploders is far removed from real
applications. We are only finally beginning to see major software houses and
consulting firms using Web
technologies in
delivered "solutions",
and their participation in the
exploders is
primarily information gathering.
As Steve Fenves, a former Mechanical Engineering
chair at CMU, observed, "we are finally teaching engineers
how to use computers instead of how to program
computers".
I wish that was my experience.
That's exactly how it should be, but not what I come across in my travels,
unfortunately .
Well, Steve did say "finally". Since that was in 2008 or so, I
think he probably meant "finally beginning to teach..."
> What happened to systems analysts, database
designers, ontologists etc?
They are well paid consultants or "marketing support"
staff for software houses. ...
That's how it
should be, but the folks you describe
aren't part of the major
dialogs that occur on the Web, certainly
not in the quarters that I frequent.
I stand by what I said above. The folks I describe are the ones
in my circles. On most Webby exploders, they are lurkers. In
some cases, they are forbidden by company rule to contribute.
> I believe applications are like fish and data like
wine. The world (in the
> majority) still doesn't understand what data
actually is, let alone the
> fundamental implications of such dangerous
ignorance :-(
I agree 100%. But that has been so for 50 years.
Yes, but we have
the eexponential
effects kicking in these days. Thus, really
bad stuff ends up affect a lot of people
etc..
Well, yes, but certain major vendors and bad but appealing ideas
have set the industry back 10 years or so at least twice since
1980, and that has negatively affected the industry from the
outset of the Web. Then again the original design of typewriter
keyboards 100 years ago negatively affects my keyboard
productivity even now...
Ditto!
Kingsley
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