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Re: [ontolog-forum] Binary versus N-ary relations

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From: "doug foxvog" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:57:55 -0400
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On Thu, September 6, 2012 18:02, William Frank wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM, doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ...
> I have found that one person's "Real Thing" is another person's
> abstraction.    (01)

No argument here.    (02)

> So I was only objecting to your saying that a relation can't
> be a "First Class Object".    (03)

The reference is to:
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:34 PM, doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, September 6, 2012 06:40, Andries van Renssen wrote:
>  > AR: All occurrences (activities, processes and events) are basically
>  > higher arity relations (interactions between things).    (04)

>  DF: I would disagree.  Occurrences are first class objects.  Higher (or
not)
>  arity relations can describe aspects of such occurrences.    (05)

This was not saying that relations or relation instances can not be expressed
by first class objects.  What i meant is that the semantics of a relation
instance is implicit in the semantics of the relation used and the arguments
on which it is used.  Adding meta-assertions about the statement is
different from adding additional assertions about the event which the
statement partially describes.    (06)

> ...
> Am I understanding this right to mean something
> that can have an intrinsic identity, something that can be referred to and
> communicated about by reference rather than simply by value, in the
> language being used?    (07)

Yes.    (08)

>  If so, think most anything can be, depending on what
> we are choosing to model, and what language we are choosing to model in.    (09)

Agreed.    (010)

-- doug foxvog    (011)

>   Thanks,
>
> wm
>
>
>
>> -- doug foxvog
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> William Frank
>    (012)



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