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Re: [ontolog-forum] Truth

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From: "Obrst, Leo J." <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:43:17 +0000
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David,    (01)

Only semantic technologies can help you, even if they haven't yet. I'd advise 
not jumping from fad to fad, as IT tends to do. You need lexical semantics and 
conceptual semantics (i.e., ontologies), even if you haven't figured out how 
they can help you yet or even if nobody has shown you the path yet. It's still 
the right path.    (02)

Thanks,
Leo    (03)

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Eddy
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Truth    (04)

John -    (05)

On Jul 11, 2012, at 5:26 PM, John F Sowa wrote:    (06)

> I discussed these issues in my 1984 book, my 2000 book, and numerous
> papers about how to map language to and from logic.  And the answer
> about paradoxes is that you fix them.  Database administrators have
> probably faced more such examples than philosophers have dreamed of.
> They sometimes make mistakes -- called bugs.  And they fix them.    (07)

I think I disagree... I would argue that what database administrators  
actually do is continually make up "new" names-often in the form of  
homonyms-since there's no good mechanism to know what's already there.    (08)

The basic  situation which I have only seen get worse since 1980 is  
that people needing "meaningful names"  (meaningful to whom & for how  
long?) simply make up new ones on the fly.    (09)

My standard example being an insurance company with 70+ names for the  
concept  "policy number"... in 1980.  The standard retort  on the 70  
number is: "Well... they must not have been looking very hard."    (010)


Going into SemanticWeb-being suckered by the "semantic" label-I had   
hopes there would be something to help with this persistent semantic  
sprawl.  I have been disappointed.    (011)


Maybe bigdata@CSAIL will address it?    (012)

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