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Re: [ontolog-forum] Truth

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From: William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:51:58 -0400
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This mail from John Sowa below attributes to *me* the very statement that I am attempting, et again, to explain is irrational, because circular.

Then, his mail changes that irrational statement into a well known and incontroverable assertion, and the mail and argues against what I said *as if* I was attacking that second statement, and saying IT was circular. 

Again, I did not write what John says I wrote below, I wrote entirely the opposite. I do not understand how this misquote could have occurred, and then the mistquote attacked.

John's points, in attacking his straw man, of course, are entirely correct, and I nor anyone else with knowledge of the theory of definition would disagree with them.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 6/29/2012 3:03 PM, William Frank wrote:
> 'p' is true if and only if I believe 'p' is true
> reflects the actual application of "truth" in the real world.
> Then the real world goes in for circularity and its consequent infinite
> regresses.

Two points:

 1. The phrase "I believe" does not belong there.  Truth does not depend
    on what anybody believes.

 2. The statement without the phrase "I believe" says nothing at all
    about the world.  It merely defines the conditions for using
    the word 'true'.

All definitions are true by definition.  They don't make any claims
about the world.  There is no regress of any kind, finite or infinite.


William Frank


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