[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [ontolog-forum] Social interaction and teamwork

To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Len Yabloko <lenyabloko@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-id: <1339781693.76351.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[WF]    (01)

> Nietsche is peachy, but not a witness to reason.    (02)

(A keeper!)  Especially not when his statement is taken out of context 
(!).     (03)

Len Yabloko wrote:
> Nietzsche once said '... there are no facts, only interpretations'.    (04)

[LY] I did not quote directly from Neitzsche. My source was a recent book by 
Luc Ferry "History of Thought" ( a present day philosopher, who I believe was 
not so long ago French Minister of Education). I found his older book 
critiquing the same out of context translation of Nietzsche with reference to 
original "Will to Power": 
http://books.google.com/books?id=f-E_SpoReqsC&lpg=PT82&ots=-GselwbY9p&dq=Luc%20Ferry%20Nietzsche%20facts%20and%20interpretation&pg=PT82#v=onepage&q&f=false    (05)

>Now, IMO, this discussion is leaping back and forth among logic, 
epistemology, metaphysics and political/social science, which makes it 
very difficult to determine any relationship between the statements of 
various contributors.    (06)

I agree entirely with this assessment and with most of arguments that followed 
my initial comments about the nature of cooperation and the role of inter-group 
communication in evolution. My intention was not to turn this thread into 
continuation of another thread totally dedicated to facts and logic. My *only* 
point was about the games being a context for communication in nature 
(including humans). And that context being more important than signals or 
speech acts taken by itself, or in a different context such as logic or history.
This equally applies to quotes from different thinker and statements on this 
forum. One should not confuse a word or figure of speech with logical 
construct, because context was not properly set up.     (07)

I am well aware of a long history behind "Liar's paradox". What I don't 
understand is how it can be applied in a context of natural language and  games 
that lead to its evolution. 
It only remains a paradox until you disambiguate a context. In logic begining 
with Fregde this paradox has many satisfactory solutions, such as axiomatic 
closure and defaults.      (08)

Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/  
Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/  
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ 
To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J    (09)

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>