Re: [ontolog-forum] Self Interest Ontology

[Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/7/12 5:01 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:

Dear Kingsley,

 

You wrote:

 

This is also why 'Attribution' is something that needs to be fixed across all value chains. I do really believe that the Web provides good infrastructure for this particular problem since it enables us leverage hyperlinks as both generic names and data access addresses. Thus, contributors ultimately end up with a more versatile branding and imprint mechanism for their contributions.

Kingsley

 

Nice idea!  But how would “attribution marks” be preserved under such examples as the Gene Ontology, with later rebranders using their own web sites for the references to outside links? 

 

To be clearer, there is no currently safe way for an IP developer to permanently mark her work.  With current technology, copyrights and trade secrets, even trademarks can be copied, modified only slightly, and made available under completely different branding without giving any “attribution” to the original site, e.g., GO. 

 

The IP content producing industries have studied how to do this, and come up with such things as water marks, but nothing so far has been able to protect any form of IP from casual deconstruction.  Witness the Blue Ray drive; dongles; encrypted software; songs; movies; books; … .  So far, nothing can stop the repatriazation of IP in any form.  If there is a way, you should certainly patent it.  Protection like that could be worth a great deal of money. 

 

But I think it is unlikely that IP can be protected by any technological approach.  If so, the only way “attribution” can be preserved is willingly, through consent of the rebrander.  For that to happen, there must be some self interest to both the rebrander, for providing attribution, and some self interest for the IP owner, for cooperating with the rebranders’ links. 

 

Google, for example, pries value from rebranding web sites and advertisers in ways that are responsive to the self interest of searchers.  So google gets revenues through rebranding; advertisers pay money to google to get ads shown; web site owners invest in SEO to make their sites more widely accessible, and the whole thing is an economic dance of self interest by each and every class of players. 

 

Do you have any thoughts you’re willing to share on how “attribution” can be made attractive to ontology rebranders, i.e., in their own self interest?  The GO example is a very good one; how would rebranders satisfy self interests by rebranding GO knowledge? 

 

If there are such, how can the solutions be reproduced for other ontology web sites, in other economy scales?  Is there a general solution to the problem, or is self interest too much of an art at this stage in technology?  Could a self interest ontology be created to record the solution(s)?

 

Curiously,

-Rich

Rich,

If you construct an ontology and publish it from a data space (nee. site) on the Web you control. You set the stage for the following via Linked Data principles adherence:

1. Authority part of the HTTP URIs used by the graph representing your ontology ultimately include URIs for 'You' .
2. HTTP URI de-references by user agents are captured in HTTP logs that you also control.
3. HTTP logs enable you traverse the Web en route to discovering adherence to attribution requirements e..g, what you might have expressed in a CC-BY-SA style of license, for instance.

HTTP URIs provide a mechanism that reduces the cost of attribution management in general.

I hope this sheds a little more light on this important matter?

Kingsley

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Self Interest Ontology

 

On 4/7/12 2:09 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:

Dear Kingsley,

 

You wrote

 

Show me an innovator and I'll unravel a person that's had to solve a really frustrating personal problem that became a product. The much celebrated Steve Jobs is a prominent example, and of course there are many others :-)

 

Nicely exemplified.  Other examples are the classically celebrated inventors such as Thomas Edison (who actually just funded developments to reach goals he set for the actual problem solving engineers he hired), Nicolai Tesla (one of his engineers), Alex Graham Bell (who built on the shoulders of EM theorists), and Henry Ford (who solved the practical problems of economical construction of cars).  They were all individuals, who organized other individuals and accepted the others’ contributions as their own.  Work for hire laws distort whose intellectual contributions were actually recognized and rewarded financially. 

This is also why 'Attribution' is something that needs to be fixed across all value chains. I do really believe that the Web provides good infrastructure for this particular problem since it enables us leverage hyperlinks as both generic names and data access addresses. Thus, contributors ultimately end up with a more versatile branding and imprint mechanism for their contributions.

Kingsley

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Self Interest Ontology

 

On 4/7/12 12:20 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:

The point of the article, as I see it, is that individuals following self interest are the originators of knowledge, sharers of knowledge, and the source of social progress.  Grouping people into political units (such as religious movements, democracies, socialist states, dictatorships, pick your favorite or most reviled instance) is what turns the groups ultimately toward the dark side. 

Great point!

Some use the moniker 'Game Theory' for what your excerpt above.

Show me an innovator and I'll unravel a person that's had to solve a really frustrating personal problem that became a product. The much celebrated Steve Jobs is a prominent example, and of course there are a many others :-)

My passion for data access was the product of frustrations I had eons ago, while working as an accountant. I couldn't understand why Lotus 123 and other productivity tools  didn't have seamless hooks into back-end relational databases :-)

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