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Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application

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From: "Jim Rhyne" <jrr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:51:12 -0700
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AFAIK, the requirement for originality in a patent issuance still stands
even with the switch to FTF. You should not be able to patent something that
is already open source.
Jim    (01)

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application    (02)

On 18/10/2011 2:55 PM, Rich Cooper wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> Agreed re the FTF vs FTI.  The many inventors I know are upset about 
> this new law, and working hard to reverse it, so perhaps that will be 
> changed.  But it will take years.
>
> The motivation for FTF was that it fits with the international patent 
> treaty (PCT) agreements in force in other countries.  It also wreaks 
> fewer wrinkles in litigation because the facts do not include 
> "intention", which is so hard to prove or disprove, and for which 
> every inventor is convinced he "intended" the invention exactly one 
> year before he filed it.  FTF clears up a lot of those debatable 
> points, but has lots of drawbacks compared to FTI.
>
> Yet the US has been more prolific in invention than any other country 
> using FTI for 200+ years, and the statistics for countries (e.g. 
> Canada) that have changed from FTI to FTF are not good.
> This could hamper innovation efforts in many fields.    (03)

This will destroy the open source movement.    (04)

Projects will develop a new technology, someone outside the project will see
it, patent it and then the open source project will have to remove the code
from their project in order to avoid being sued by the patent holder.    (05)

Not sure how Apache is planning to deal with this but it puts all of us that
use open source at risk of future legal action.
Very stupid idea in spite of its simplicity.    (06)


Ron    (07)

> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Peter Yim
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:17 AM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent
> Application
>
>> [AH]  Thoughts?
> [ppy]  while I totally admire the way they have
> executed it, and am
> happy for the Apple/Siri folks for finally
> bringing ontology and
> semantic technology to the mass market with such
> fanfare ... I am, at
> the same time, saddened by the fact that we (in
> the US) too, are now
> under a "first to file" patent regime (and that
> "first to invent" is
> no longer relevant!)
>
> Regards. =ppy
> --
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Ali SH
> <asaegyn+out@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> A few years ago Adam Cheyer and Tom Gruber were
> kind enough to present an
>> overview of Siri on ontolog
>>
> ( http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Conferen
> ceCall_2010_02_25 ), were
>> subsequently bought out by Apple and a few weeks
> ago Apple released Siri as
>> that "one more thing" part of their
> presentations - deeply integrating it
>> into the iPhone4S and their new iOS'es. Some
> claim it is a break out point
>> for mass acceptance of AI technologies, and its
> cultural / technological
>> consequences are on par with the mouse or GUI's.
>> Regardless, I thought people here might be
> interested in their patent
>> application, which is reviewed on this site:
>>
> http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/10/12/how-siri-on-
> iphone-4s-works-and-why-it%E2%80%99s-a-big-deal-ap
> ple%E2%80%99s-ai-tech-details-in-230-pages-of-pate
> nt-app/
>> while this one looks at the surrounding patent
> protections Siri and Apple
>> (and I suppose SRI) may have built around the
> technologies
> ( http://startupsip.com/2011/10/14/is-apple-siri-o
> us-about-ip/ ). The claims
>> on the '790 patent are incredibly broad
>>
>>> An automated assistant operating on a computing
> device, the assistant
>>> comprising:
>>>
>>> an input device, for receiving user input;
>>> a language interpreter component, for
> interpreting the received user input
>>> to derive a representation of user intent;
>>> a dialog flow processor component, for
> identifying at least one domain, at
>>> least one task, and at least one parameter for
> the task, based at least in
>>> part on the derived representation of user
> intent;
>>> a services orchestration component, for calling
> at least one service for
>>> performing the identified task;
>>> an output processor component, for rendering
> output based on data received
>>> from the at least one called service, and
> further based at least in part on
>>> a current output mode; and
>>> an output device, for outputting the rendered
> output.
>> Fwiw, I believe that Leonid Kravets has
> misunderstood the "language
>> interpreter" claim, and I doubt Apple is
> referring to Nuance, but the
>> NLP/ontology interpretation that Siri is doing
> w/ the Nuance speech-to-text
>> strings...
>> There's recently been another, much narrower
> patent application to do with
>> ontologies and NLP, titled "Method and system
> for generating an ontology"
> see: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sec
> t1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPT
> O%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8,027,948.PN.&OS=P
> N/8,027,948&RS=PN/8,027,948 for
>> more details.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> (`'.(`'.().').') .,.,
>
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