Dear Rich,
      
      
      I've been following the recent exchanges, and the connection
        between this particular point that you seem keen to promote and
        ontology is tenuous at best. For others who have been following
        the science on climate change, the points you reference and
        present are frustratingly similar to the objections presented to
        question the link between lung cancer and tobacco. Hence, I
        imagine, Chris' response.
      
      
      In this particular case, you have cited two people are
        well-known climate change deniers. Neither has a background in
        atmospheric science. John and Doug adequately dispatched with
        Spencer's article. James Taylor is a fellow at the Heartland
        Institute, with a known and well documented agenda arguing
        against climate change ( 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute ).
        Previous notable positions advanced by the Heartland Institute
        include work / publications for the tobacco companies disputing
        the link between second hand smoke and cancer.
 
      
      
      The Remote Sensor journal in which Roy Spencer published his
        article, is oddly not one focused on atmospheric
        science or climate, it is about ... sensors. Indeed, the
        peer-reviewers are presumably qualified to determine whether the
        article presents solid claims re sensors, not climate science.
        Does it not make you wonder why he didn't publish it in a more
        appropriate journal? Indeed, a simple google query will give you
        dozens of posts and articles by people with actual background in
        climate science who were forced to divert precious time and
        resources to outline the problems and debunk Spencer's claims. 
      
      
      The frustration from many with the deniers is that they are
        akin to the deniers between the link of second hand tobacco
        smoke and lung cancer, or a sort of "flat-earthers".
        Unfortunately, unlike flat vs round earth, the answer isn't as
        obvious. Rather, we are relying on correlation and a growing(!)
        body of evidence that supports the thesis at hand. While some
        details might be wrong, the vast majority of researchers believe
        that hte evidence supports anthropogenic climate change. 
      
      
      However, with adequate funding, lobbying and some complicit
        partners in media (Fox) / hype machine, it is easy to publish
        volumes of misinformation which soak up precious time and
        resources from others to debunk.  This was a well known tactic
        employed by the tobacco companies, and it is being pursued by
        oil-companies and other interested parties alike. It is true
        that there are those who also stand to profit from a shift of
        societal values, attitudes and behaviour to the climate, but it
        is disingenuous to equate the two sides. It's not just two
        special interests arguing about science, it is also about a
        large majority of researchers and scientists who agree on basic
        principles in the science. It is not a partisan issue.
      
      
      
      
      
      It is disheartening to see ontolog diverted with these
        topics, especially since the link to ontology here is not
        apparent to me.
      
      
      With regard to the rest of your posts regarding social policy
        and self-interest. Please acknowledge that there are many other,
        distinct narratives, with many many many people working in the
        field. What you've thus far presented is ... I don't know your
        background ... but let's say a very specific point of view.
      
      
      I recommend familiarity with the following resources in the
        effort to create an "ontology of self-interest". Below, you will
        find some narratives that don't take for granted equal access to
        information, the same level of opportunity for each individual,
        and make explicit the feed-back loop between accumulation or
        inherited privilege and imbalanced agency in social group
        dynamics. I don't particularly agree with them, but if we're
        inundating this forum with one particular point of view that is
        not accurate of the domain of specialty, let's remember there
        are others.
      
      
      
      
        Douglas T. Kenrick, Vladas Griskevicius, Steven L. Neuberg
          and Mark Schaller - Renovating the Pyramid of Needs:
          Contemporary Extensions Built Upon Ancient Foundations. .
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
        Kraus, M. W., Piff, P. K., & Keltner, D. (2011). Social
          class as culture: The convergence of resources and rank in the
          social realm, Current Directions in Psychological Science,
          100, 246-250
      
      
        touches on some of the feedback loops that arise through
        life-experiences. You can email the authors for a copy. 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      Best of luck,
      Ali
      
        On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rich
          Cooper 
<rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          wrote:
          
Dear
            Chris,
            
            Its always nice to get your constructive inputs.
            
            Behalf Of Christopher Menzel
            Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:10 PM
            To: [ontolog-forum]
              Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology of Self
              Interest
              
            
            
          
         
        
        
        
        -- 
        
        
        (•`'·.¸(`'·.¸(•)¸.·'´)¸.·'´•) .,., 
      
 
      
      
      
       
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