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From: Jawit Kien <jawit.kien@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:24:26 -0600
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John,
>
> One minor point, but a major issue to me and the OMG folk.
>
> I wrote:
>>> This is the approach of the ISO/OASIS Product LifeCycle Services (PLCS)
>>> standards gang. They allow for successive levels of standardization,
>>> each of which defines common practices for a smaller industry group and
>>> allows for trading partner specializations and adaptations. Their
>>> models, however, are currently written in a combination of EXPRESS (with
>>> an OWL derivative) and XML Schema, so that they actually get implemented
>>> in commercial software.
>>>
>
> John wrote:
>
>> Another argument for focusing on semantics and providing translations
>> to and from every notation on the planet.
>>
>
> The issue is that the relationship between an ontology and a Java model
> or an XML exchange form is not "translation" in any usual sense.  It is
> a software engineering process that produces an information systems
> artifact -- an information technology model.  The purpose of the IT
> model is to carry the part of the semantics of the elements of the
> ontology that is relevant to a  particular software system
> implementation. From an engineering point of view, the relationship
> between the ontology and the implementation model is "trace", analogous
> to that between a design element and its intended function.
>
> [I'm sure John did not mean to imply that an ontology would be like an
> IDEF-1X information model -- having a one-to-one translation to SQL.
> But many people in this industry think in those terms:  that an ontology
> can be "translated" -- transformed by a rote process -- to an
> implementation model for 20th century software.  I would describe that
> as wrong thinking.  It may be possible for some uses, but it should not
> be the intent of the ontology.  Put another way, that view treats
> 'ontology' as a synonym for 'information model' or 'object model'.]    (01)

If it is possible, could you clarify what uses that it might be possible to
use an ontology as an information model or an object model ?    (02)

Thanks,
JK    (03)

> OTOH, an ontology may usefully be "translated" to a different knowledge
> engineering language, for use by multiple reasoning tools, without
> significant loss of semantics.  That is the distinction I want to make.
>
> So, while we are discussing the clarification of vocabulary, can we be
> more careful about ours?
>
> -Ed
>
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