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Re: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Breaking News: Google supports GoodRelations

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From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:46:05 +0000
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Surely there is a distinction to be made between what is modeled and what it is modeled in. Changing the syntax or the presentation is not the same as changing the content of the model, and in the end a model is either a model of something in the problem domain or a model of a (usually proposed) solution.

Mike

On 08/11/2010 08:14, Alex Shkotin wrote:
John,

as XML, RDF are data models and ways for information coding, it is not for users but for programmers.
XML is accepted by programmers for their needs.
Internal structure of SW is a programmers deal.

We have 5(!) syntaxes for OWL 2. I think none of them for end user.
These are for a new kind of programmers: knowledge coders;-)

And as usual for end user we need forms to fulfill, manage and query knowledge.

It seems one additional "user interface" we may get now is a very simple CNL.
We get it while verbalizing RDB data, for ex. And for me it is better than "metadata", as end user can write CNL.

We have know spellcheckers working background when we type.
It would be crucial step forward for the web to have a background CNL checker the user accept.
Not everybody but who'd like to type knowledge;-)

Even for knowledge interchange it may be better to have CNL.
Do we need a standard for CNL?

Alex

2010/11/7 John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Kingsley,

> Even if Martin only published GoodRelations in RDF/XML format,
> the conceptual schema isn't inextricably to RDF formats.

Yes.  That's the point I was trying to emphasize.

Nobody develops alternatives to good notations.  The fact that there
are so many variations is a sign that the edict to make the XML
serialization the normative version was a disaster.

People constantly say "Oh, you don't have to use it if you don't
like it."   But making the XML serialization the normative version
is a terrible example of a premature optimization in favor of the
semantically least important and most trivial aspect.

The first step toward a rational reconstruction of the Semantic Web
is to demote the XML serialization of the languages to a legacy
status.  Then sponsor a design competition for better alternatives.

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