Re: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: Re: using SKOS for controlled values for contr

[Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>]

Doug

Here is a simplistic explanation  .. ( my two sense..)

By 'logic' Wittgenstein meant "the study of everything subject to rules" (TLP 6.3). And the rules for using our language -- including the rules of sense and nonsense -- he called 'grammar'.

Well.. I agree with the above statement..    I think all the subjects have formal rules and logic is a way of expressing them using  formal mathematical model..  ( which uses terms of a particular language). 

Arithmetic or algebra  are not languages.   It is Mathematics ( like other subjects). I have a problem with people referring to them as languages.   A Language is a basic medium of _expression_ ( a tool) like English, French, Arabic, Chinese, or Hindi etc.  Mathematics can be expressed in different languages..  So are the other subjects.

The human society has built layers of tools like languages and subjects  to express the complexities of the universe.. but they are layers ( or building blocks).  Each one is not the same as the other.   They have different purpose and rules. Some may be overlapping, some may sound similar, but they are not one and the same..   Books and computers are additional layer of tools to store, and manipulate those layers of information ( medium of storage and manipulation of information).  But they are additional  different layers. ( Books are books, and  Computers use digital formats ).

I know people barrow terminology from all disciples and layers and use it in a fashionable way with multiple meanings. But that creates all the jargon  and the haze!   What does natural language mean?  Is it English or Computer Science NL?

One can treat the whole universe as an entity and everything else as subsets and generalize the whole thing.   But that only causes illusion.. with no clear understanding of anything (  not manageable in a clear concise way). Does not serve any purpose, if there is one.  I think people should treat different things, as different and separate issues.

Regards,
Pavithra

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: Re: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary]
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:24 AM

Pavithra wrote:

> Isn't grammar the logic of the language? The verbs and the nouns and
> what should follow what?? )

Grammar in a natural language is a description of how that language is
normally used.  If an accepted grammar is not followed that means either
that the usage is somehow "improper", or that the grammar inadequately
describes the normal usage of the language.

Grammatical rules can be expressed using a logical formalism, but
that does not mean that the grammar itself is a logic.

-- doug

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