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Re: [ontolog-forum] semantic analysis was do not trust quantifiers

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:10:39 -0700
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I would like to propose a different set of primitives; consider objects and situations as the ONLY primitives.  Both objects and situations can be further subdivided into various axes of comparison.  Some have mass, some have energy, some have locality, some have whatever other properties you prefer to postulate.  


So it is the enumeration of properties that your new infant begins to learn and apply to separate those primitive objects and situations into “a kind of” partitions.  Later, seeing a new object or situation X which is somehow reminiscent to the infant of a previously encountered object or situation Y, the infant has the eureka moment of distinguishing X “is a” Y.  


You can further describe other iterative and recursive rational processes by which the primitive objects and situations are observed, classified, acted on experimentally, and by which theories can be formed in the infant’s emerging consciousness and memories.  


The crucial idea is to NOT start with classes, sets, or other constructions, which are not truly primitive.  The infant perceives objects, and situations (relationships among collections of objects and situations) differently as she learns more and more about these mysterious realities.  






Rich Cooper


Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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You refer to my quote from Wikipedia, of which I highlighted the following 

Main points: … add semantic information…associating variable and function references with their definitions…parsing … a complete parse tree, meaning that this phase logically follows the parsing phase,


While I agree with you on the points raised, it appears to me that the only useful information to find as far as the semantics (function) of the code is the source code, as opposed to all sorts of commentaries made in the history of the product life cycle.Even though, that wass not my point as you can see above. My point is that you want to analyze a program (in fact, any human artifact) semantically, which is an exercise involving the identification of definitions, interpreting semantic information as a structure with cross-references, etc.


The reason that UNL needs to be at the table is that global society is on a track of being totally dependent on software driven processess.

I believe you. But consider this:

Curiously enough, we have not managed to use even the simplest terms/paradigms of data processing in describing our models of the world (in thinking). Typically, there is a great hullaboo about databases and knowledge representation collections, including ontologies but nothing is modelled about their processing in the mind as an analogy to computer EDP, except from trying to read the mind by using invasive technology in neurology. It should not matter how data in mind are processed, we should look at it as a black box and be concerned with the output and the fact that only a part of the workings of the mind is done rationally and be influenced by will and reason. Typically, the news headings in the media today are undergoing a change and the naming conventions of passages and any lengths off texts in the internet seem to be downright crazy and intentionally ambiguous, because tension creatd by paradoxes is supposed to increase readership.




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