P.S. Is that short enough for Azamat?
Ed, your communication brings a pleasure to read, however short or long it
might be :-).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barkmeyer" <edbark@xxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Software as art, metrics, etc. (was: MVC) (01)
> David Eddy wrote:
>> Duane -
>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Duane Nickull wrote:
>> It comes down to the fact that code is art.
>> I cringe whenever I hear "software engineer" particularly when
>> someone delivers it with a straight face.
> I lost Jeffrey Schiffel's email, but I support his position. I hope
> this is a troll.
> I cringe whenever I meet a programmer who thinks he is an artist.
> A program is a machine. People rely on it to do some part of their
> Do you want to fly across the country on an aircraft built by an artist?
> Do you want the ABS in your car to be an artwork?
> Do you want the life support system in the ICU to be art?
> The reason why we trust engineers to make ABS's and aircraft is that
> they have a discipline that gives the company the willingness to provide
> a warranty and accept legal liability. As long as programmers think
> they are artists, you will get the Microsoft form of warranty -- caveat
> The "artist" view of software engineering should have vanished in 1980.
> The software in automobiles and aircraft, manufacturing controllers,
> train controllers and life support systems has been engineered since
> 1975, and the software in network servers has been engineered since
> 1990. But for some reason, many people still trust their business to
> artworks, and pay annual fees for repainting/resculpting them. This
> nonsense has got to stop.
> P.S. Is that short enough for Azamat?
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