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Re: [ontolog-forum] Foundation ontology, CYC, and Mapping

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From: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:19:45 -0500
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I am glad that we finally have got this straight and can move on.
I think that this is where I came in 2 or 3 years ago.    (01)

Ron    (02)

John F. Sowa wrote:
> Dear Matthew and Pat,
>
> People interact successfully among themselves because they have
> background knowledge about the world and about one another.
> Computers don't have any such knowledge, unless it is encoded in
> some way that they can use.  The purpose of the formal ontologies
> we have been discussing is to encode that information.
>
> PC>>> ... the meanings of the terms in the ontology do not depend solely
>  >>> on the total sum of all the inferences derivable from the logic, but
>  >>> on the **intended meanings**, which do or at least should control
>  >>> the way the elements are used in applications.
>
> JFS>> If those intended meanings aren't in the specifications, they
>  >> won't get into the machine code.  And if the spec's aren't precise,
>  >> different programmers will write incompatible codes, which won't
>  >> be interoperable.
>
> MW> What you say is true for information systems that humans are not
>  > part of. However, that is very few practical information systems.
>  > For most information systems humans are an integral part.
>
> I agree.
>
> MW> For example [humans] enter data, they read reports, and on that
>  > basis they make decisions (not just the computer). In that case
>  > it matters if the humans decide that a field that the programmer
>  > decided should be a name, would actually be used for a description
>  > or the price of something or whatever.
>
> I agree that computers have been successfully interacting with people
> for half a century without any kind of formal ontology -- in fact
> without any knowledge of any kind about the meaning of the data.
> The only knowledge about the data is in heads of the people who
> design, implement, and use the computers.
>
> One computer displays a form with fields labeled 'name' or 'price',
> accepts some input data, and stores the data in fields of a database
> that some programmer has labeled 'name' or 'price'.  Another computer
> combines that data with other data and sends it to a printer or a
> computer display.  None of the computers have the slightest knowledge,
> explicit or implicit, about the meaning of the data.
>
> Unfortunately, different people may use the same or similar knowledge
> in incompatible ways.  Database developers noticed that problem in
> the mid 1970s, and they started projects to develop standards for
> a "conceptual schema" that would encode the background knowledge.
> For over 30 years, they have been discussing exactly the same issues
> we have been debating in ontolog forum and the SUO email list.
>
> We have two options:
>
>   1. Admit that encoding background knowledge in computer systems
>      is a futile exercise and continue with the programming
>      practices that have evolved over the past half century.
>
>   2. Develop formal ontologies that enable computer systems to
>      reason with and about the "intended meaning" of the data
>      they receive from humans.
>
> Option #2 requires ontology encoded in some logic-based notation(s).
> (By logic-based notations, I include SQL, UML diagrams, and STEP
> as well as Common Logic, OWL, etc.)  The rules expressed in those
> notations will have to make the intended meanings explicit with
> the same level of precision as any engineering discipline -- i.e.,
> the precision and techniques used in writing mathematical formulas.
>
> John
>
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