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Oh, Ferenc, you can't be serious in trying elicit
further verbosity from me on those fronts!?
No, I choose to leave it at that, despite the
temptation, and trust that the members of this list can already attach adequate
meaning to those word groupings and anyway will move on to more immediate
practicalities. I don't believe there is any significant deadlock I need
to try to help break.
Thanks for the comments, though, and the
welcome attention to those phrases.
Christopher
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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 5:51
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Subject: [ontolog-forum] tighter control
of ontolog forum
I feel guilty for making a lot of noise on this forum.
My sincere appologies. On the other hand looking at the deadlock when
confronted with the problems to be sorted for further advance I cannot help
trying to contribute with ideas that I find relevant. For instance, one of the
problems that ontologies cannot solve yet as I see it is compatibility between
words used in texts, free-floating or otherwise with reality. All such texts
read projections, because we make statements by using phrases (word clusters)
that never get properly defined as a whole (and not checked against reality,
and parsed by computers as composites of parts) even not even afterwards – for
the sake of reflection. Neither are such phrases recorded with sufficient
annotation of meaning in terms, for instance, extension and
intension.
Random example from a recent posting, no criticism
intended:
(Phrases that are ambiguous or left to any voluntary
definitions of the audience, or evidenced by a single example as opposed to
providing more rigorous and chained definitions)
- the more
productive lists on the Internet that successfully concentrate on their core
themes and objectives
- some friendly
censorship
- too many who
are interested in those core themes are voting with their feet by choosing
not to take part or even listen further
- common
ontological background
- extreme
complexity of our given world that is not always amenable to being captured
by sharable concepts.
- the soft
issues you like raising, of infinities and and ineffabilities
- most members
of this list are fully aware of that background, and of many of the myriad
alternative and complementary points of view that so easily lead
- much fruitless
verbosity.
- further
brainstorming on Eastern philosophies (for example) might contribute
to
such practice.
- the task of
understanding the power of verbalization and its conceptual
constructs
- frequent
distortions of the truth
- impotence as
complete tools
- symbolic
quasi-realities.
- The scientific
worldview
- everyday
commonsense in general, of all kinds,
- mysticisms and
infinities
- many problems
confronting humanity
- the enormous
scale of the still unexploited opportunities
- only implicit
in complex reality,
- collaborativeness.
- extremely distributed and varied world of the
Internet
- conceptual
edifices
- scalable
teamwork and interoperability of social systems,
- optimize
communication,
- maximize
humanity's constructive resources.
- all the
information system challenges
- transcended by
a total disregarding of their respective strengths.
- better
theories.
- practically-constructive theorizing
- already-familiar wistfulnesses with little proven
record of socially-enriching achievement above a certain basic and rather
obvious level.
And so
on.
Regards,
ferenc
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