Frank,
Oh, I'm sure there is a study somewhere that proves this,
but the following is my informal understanding. (01)
There appear to be two (2) main mechanisms for learning.
The first is when the item to be remembered is available
from an associated link. For example, I say "apple" and
you say, "oh, yes, we had apples at the picnic." (02)
The second type is when the links are not from a stated
item but from a previous item, such as when we learn the
letters of the alphabet. (03)
The implementations for these two types of recall would be
different if the intention was to simulate human recall. (04)
One of the interesting questions of this area concerns how
much is in conscious memory and how much is unconscious. This
again, has to do with models of human recall, not physiological
models. My belief is that we commit things to unconscious
memory if we would like to store them with no vetting of the
data. We memorize that "B" follows "A" without questioning
the teacher for the source of that sequence. (05)
-John Bottoms
FirstStar
Concord, MA
T: 978-505-9878 (06)
FERENC KOVACS wrote: (07)
> Thank John,
> I know about motivating that way, that is not my question. I try again.
> Would the internal representation, process , etc. of the brain be diffeernt.
> In other words the chunks to be remembered word by word are limited for the
> short term memory, but in the long run everything seems top be bnuolt in
> somehow and be possible to retreive. Now retrieval of a long long text and
> anything short associated with any chunk of verbal cue - would they be
> difeferntly embodied or implemented?
> Cheers Frank
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>>The "http://pda.physorg.com/"; posting seems to be a bit
>>of propaganda, not much new there.
>>
>>And for your question: "b)" seems to be obvious. Any time
>>a demand is made, along with a requirement for an explanation,
>>an additional demand, I would expect that the results would
>>be better.
>>
>>There was that study that came out recently about stressing
>>the level of competition before taking of a test. It appears
>>that stressing competition (& in a small group) before a test
>>coerces students to do bette, reducing the noise of the scores.
>>
>>-John Bottoms
>> FirstStar
>> Concord, MA
>> T: 978-505-9878
>>
>>FERENC KOVACS wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>I think you should have guessed it too. However
>>>It may be time to start cross postings :-))
>>>http://pda.physorg.com/_news166972974.html
>>>My question:
>>>Is there a difference in the neurocognitive result of leanring
>>>a) to rende a long line of uttereances later word by word, like apome,
>>>a role, a saga, etc. and
>>>b) to learn any verbal input with a demand on response that shows
>>>understanding and not just echoing thes ame patterns (is that "rote
>>>learning"?)
>>>regards
>>>Ferenc
>>>
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