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"Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid altogether."
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:30
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The DIKW
Hierarchy issue(s)
I was going to work on that.
Duane
?Why
procrastinate today when you can do it tomorrow??
On 6/18/09
11:31 PM, "Toby Considine" <Toby.Considine@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
As was explained at the smart grid conversations
last week, any layered
system which fails to connect to the upper
economic ontology [money] is
probably doomed...
"If something
is not worth doing, it`s not worth doing well" - Peter Drucker
Toby
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The DIKW Hierarchy
issue(s)
Oh, it's lost because that is the detail we didn't
care
about when the model or higher level abstraction was
created.
Back to Duane's drawing. In the ISO model we always
have
five (5) things in communications; Open, Close, Send, Rcv
and
Status. I'm thinking about this, how this applies to
an ontology. We
could also discuss it using a typical
database metaphor.
But the
immediate interface from the semantic level seems
like it should be a CG,
or part of a CG that is used in
one of the ontology operations. There
might be a shim layer
that examines the CG, and crafts an appropriate
request of
the ontology.
Am I getting warmer?
-John
Bottoms
First Star
Concord,
MA
T: 978-505-9878
Duane Nickull wrote:
> By
definition, if truly lost, the answer to all three is ? we do not
know?
>
> ;-p
>
> D
>
>
> On
6/18/09 6:56 PM, "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Where is the Life we have
lost in living?
>
> Where is the wisdom
we have lost in knowledge?
>
> Where is
the knowledge we have lost in information?
>
>
Eliot, the Rock
>
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>
>
From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:20 AM
>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The DIKW Hierarchy
issue(s)
>
>
>
John,
>
> Thanks
for the pointer to that article about the DIKW hierarchy:
>
>
JB> A compelling paper on the DKIW hierarchy and
its mythologies
> > is by Martin
Frické of the University of Arizona:
>
>
>
http://dlist.sir.arizona.edu/2327/01/The%5FKnowledge%5FPyramid%5FDList.pdf
>
>
I have heard several talks in which people used the
hierarchy of
>
Data-Information-Knowledge-Wisdom. In those
talks, the discussion
> of the DIKW hierarchy
never added a single bit of useful data,
>
information, knowledge, or wisdom.
>
>
The only purpose of the DIKW hierarchy is to
sprinkle some magic,
> hype, or pixie dust
over whatever system or methodology the speaker
>
hopes to sell or glorify. I do not find that
persuasive.
>
> Following are a few
excerpts from the article, which has a good
>
analysis that I hope will discourage anyone from
presenting any
> more slides with DIKW
diagrams.
>
> John Sowa
>
___________________________________________________________________
>
>
The Knowledge Pyramid: A Critique of the DIKW
Hierarchy
>
> by Martin
Frické
>
> The paper considers whether
the hierarchy, also known as the
> ?Knowledge
Hierarchy?, is a useful and intellectually desirable
>
construct to introduce, whether the views expressed
about DIKW
> are true and have evidence in
favor of them, and whether there
> are good
reasons offered or sound assumptions made about DIKW...
>
>
The answer to be defended here is that the DIKW
pyramid should be
> abandoned. It should no
longer be part of the canon of information
>
science, and such related disciplines as systems
theory, information
> management, information
systems, knowledge management, and library
>
and documentation science...
>
>
Most of the foregoing criticisms can be illustrated
by a simple
example.
> The Earth goes
around the Sun (as we have learned from Copernicus,
>
Galileo, and others). That the Earth goes around the
Sun is
information.
> Yet that the Earth
goes around the Sun is not data nor can it be
>
inferred from data; it is not, and could not be,
DIKW information.
> Further, the question of
why the Earth goes around the Sun is a
>
perfectly reasonable information seeking
why-question. And its answer,
> in terms of
initial conditions, gravitational forces, and the like,
>
is itself information; and the answer, also, would
not be considered
> DIKW
information....
>
> The DIKW theory also
seems to encourage uninspired methodology. The
>
view is that data, existing data that has been
collected, is promoted
> to information and
that information answers questions. This encourages
>
the mindless and meaningless collection of data in
the hope that one
> day it will ascend to
information...
>
> So much for data and
information in the DIKW hierarchy. The pyramid
>
has no foundations...
>
>
Thus far the paper has been somewhat negative in
tone...
>
> What about some positive
theories? Information science has an interest
>
in data, information, knowledge, and, perhaps,
wisdom. Are there some
> acceptable
explications of these notions?
>
> The
interim conclusions are these. There are many different senses
>
of ?information?. There are even many different
senses of
?information?
> in use in
Information Science. It is not the case the one of these
>
senses is good, all purpose, and the others
deficient...
>
> What, then, would be
the relationship between data and information?
>
All data is information. However, there is
information that is not
> data. Almost all of
science is information, but, in most contexts,
>
it is not data. That the Earth rotates on its axis
and orbits the sun
> is information, but not,
for most purposes, data.
>
> Information
can range much more widely than data; it can be much
>
more extensive than the given. The point can be made
solely in terms
> of logic. Data typically is
expressed by Existential-Conjunctive
logic,
>
information requires the full First Order Logic; the
latter cannot
> even be expressed in its
entirety by the former; and, in particular,
>
some statements in the latter amount to information
and they cannot
> be inferred from the former.
Supposing that they can is the central
>
mistake of the DIKW pyramid...
>
>
For an account of knowledge, as explained above,
Information Science
> should use a
propositional account of knowledge, i.e.
knowledge-that...
>
This makes knowledge and information
synonymous...
>
> A person may have
encyclopaedic knowledge of the facts and figures
>
relating to the countries of the world; but that
knowledge, of itself,
> will not make that
person wise. The wide knowledge has to be
applicable
>
to tricky problems of an ethical and practical kind,
of how to act.
>
> And the wise person
must not only have wide appropriate knowledge,
>
but they must act in accordance with the knowledge
they have...
>
> Then wisdom is merely a
matter of using that practical know how to
>
achieve appropriate ends. That is a reasonably
defensible view ?
> it just does not want to
be embedded in the DIKW hierarchy.
>
>
>
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