Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview - Early pre-lingual comm

["k goodier" <kgoodier@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I wonder if the triplet’s communication with each other will have the same kind of fuzzy object-based associations that our individual pre-lingual communication-based memories do.   

 

Like Duane and Pavithra, my  pre-lingual memories are more connected to sensation and were verified by older members of my family as “real”. In my case, I remember crying at my great-grandmother’s funeral, not because I was uncomfortable, but because of total sensory overload.  As I learned to speak these types of memories seemed to cease.  There seems to be a gap in my memory from pre-lingual time to fluent communications.  I wonder if this is the same for other folks. . .

 

It seems that the triplet’s communication is significantly more directed at getting actions accomplished, rather than my simple pre-lingual reaction to stimuli.  Do they apply symbols, baby-talk, metaphor, and categorization to objects in the environment differently than those children whose communication is only focused on controlling adults? Do they remember these “conversations.”

 

Furthermore, when we develop ontologies describing our object-based environment and our cultures, do we account for sensory and fluency differences of those within the context of that environment or culture?

 

Pavithra, I really like the white puppy with the red bow, example.  It is like a William Carlos Williams poem.

 

Duane, if you are delusional, then so am I.

 

Happy earth day,

 

K

 

From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavithra
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview - Early pre-lingual communications

 

Agreed,  there has to be some kind of enforcement - verification, cross referencing of where that bits and pieces of memories comes from.   Generally, older siblings, cousins, parents, grandparents other family members and friends can verify the time frame, events, sounds, places and people..

 

For example,  if a child receives a white puppy with a big red bow at first birthday....  

and  learns to play and say bow wow with the puppy and get used to playing with the puppy....   and after six months, the puppy is taken away..   and if that child never  again has a puppy or a dog for a pet after that..   the child may always have a sense of familiarity about a white puppy, a red bow  and even the sound bow wow  and even smell ( yeah gross but true) associated with it..  

 

 But family members may have to reinforce such memories with actual facts to provide clarity!

 

Regards,

Pavithra

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview - Early pre-lingual communications
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:01 PM

On 4/21/09 5:12 AM, "Dr. K Goodier" <kgoodier@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> Interesting topic for this forum.  Do any of you have very early memories,
> particularly from a time before you could communicate with language?
>
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> K Goodier

Yes, although there are no words or symbols.  It was sort of a generalized
feeling rather than concise memory.  It took me an immense amount
of time to figure out where I thought it was coming from.

Looking at this objectively however, I could also be somewhat delusional
since there is no concrete way to verify that those feelings were in fact
accurate.  There is no way to map them to a test although I firmly believe I
actually remember components of my pre-verbal communication era.

Duane


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