In the case of mutliple birth siblings communication, consider
that the siblings are rarely ever out of sight of one another. Herding babies/
toddlers/preschoolers is a large part of a triplet parent’s life as one
has to switch from man-on-man to a zone defense. Point being the context is both
limited and largely shared. The communication is usually directed at some
(discrete) physical object or unfulfilled physical need.
My earliest retained memory is from the age of 3 when my mother
walked in the door with my newborn little sister. It meant I lost my
priviledged status as the youngest child. I was the fourth of five children.
Don
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I wonder if the triplet’s communication with each other
will have the same kind of fuzzy object-based associations that our individual
pre-lingual communication-based memories do.
Like Duane and Pavithra, my pre-lingual memories are more
connected to sensation and were verified by older members of my family as
“real”. In my case, I remember crying at my
great-grandmother’s funeral, not because I was uncomfortable, but because
of total sensory overload. As I learned to speak these types of memories
seemed to cease. There seems to be a gap in my memory from pre-lingual
time to fluent communications. I wonder if this is the same for other
folks. . .
It seems that the triplet’s communication is significantly
more directed at getting actions accomplished, rather than my simple pre-lingual
reaction to stimuli. Do they apply symbols, baby-talk, metaphor, and
categorization to objects in the environment differently than those children
whose communication is only focused on controlling adults? Do they remember
these “conversations.”
Furthermore, when we develop ontologies describing our
object-based environment and our cultures, do we account for sensory and
fluency differences of those within the context of that environment or culture?
Pavithra, I really like the white puppy with the red bow,
example. It is like a William Carlos Williams poem.
Duane, if you are delusional, then so am I.
Happy earth day,
K
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Agreed, there has to be some kind of enforcement -
verification, cross referencing of where that bits and pieces of memories
comes from. Generally, older siblings, cousins, parents,
grandparents other family members and friends can verify the time frame,
events, sounds, places and people..
For example, if a child receives a white
puppy with a big red bow at first birthday....
and learns to play and say bow wow with the puppy
and get used to playing with the puppy.... and after six months,
the puppy is taken away.. and if that child never again has
a puppy or a dog for a pet after that.. the child may always
have a sense of familiarity about a white puppy, a red bow and
even the sound bow wow and even smell ( yeah gross but true)
associated with it..
But family members may have to reinforce such
memories with actual facts to provide clarity!
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Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:01 PM
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