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Re: [ontolog-forum] Early pre-lingual communications

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From: "Patrick Cassidy" <pat@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:59:49 -0400
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Pavithra,

  You have put your finger on the big problem with early memories:

 

> But family members may have to reinforce such memories with actual facts to provide clarity!

 

Memory is very malleable – that is the topic of much recent research demonstrating the unreliability of even short-term eyewitness testimony.  Memories can be easily changed by suggestions placed before or after the observation.  So early memories shave to be suspect if family members have had an opportunity to reinforce them – indistinguishable from actually *creating* the memories after the fact.

 

In discussing an early memorable event that my wife and I shared with 3-year old who is now a young lady, we have asked ‘do you remember when . . .’ and the answer is ‘I’m not sure – I think I remember, but I’ve been told about it so often I can’t tell what I remember and what I was told’.  For memories before any language develops, it must be harder to tell.

 

Pat

 

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavithra
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview - Early pre-lingual communications

 

Agreed,  there has to be some kind of enforcement - verification, cross referencing of where that bits and pieces of memories comes from.   Generally, older siblings, cousins, parents, grandparents other family members and friends can verify the time frame, events, sounds, places and people..

 

For example,  if a child receives a white puppy with a big red bow at first birthday....  

and  learns to play and say bow wow with the puppy and get used to playing with the puppy....   and after six months, the puppy is taken away..   and if that child never  again has a puppy or a dog for a pet after that..   the child may always have a sense of familiarity about a white puppy, a red bow  and even the sound bow wow  and even smell ( yeah gross but true) associated with it..  

 

 But family members may have to reinforce such memories with actual facts to provide clarity!

 

Regards,

Pavithra

 

 

 


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview - Early pre-lingual communications
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:01 PM




On 4/21/09 5:12 AM, "Dr. K Goodier" <kgoodier@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> Interesting topic for this forum.  Do any of you have very early memories,
> particularly from a time before you could communicate with language?
>
>
> K Goodier

Yes, although there are no words or symbols.  It was sort of a generalized
feeling rather than concise memory.  It took me an immense amount
of time to figure out where I thought it was coming from.

Looking at this objectively however, I could also be somewhat delusional
since there is no concrete way to verify that those feelings were in fact
accurate.  There is no way to map them to a test although I firmly believe I
actually remember components of my pre-verbal communication era.

Duane


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