Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview

[FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And as you will have noticed, form is not a paramount issue. Humans are meaning seeking animals and we all correct anything to make it menaingful.. Thnking is anticipating, and anticipating also involves emotion and will. Formal logic has neither of them and will never get you closer to semantics which is about content. Or if you like, the result of a search/seek not with a hit, but with a match.

If you have read on after Kant and had discovered Hegel you would not have this agony about ontologies.

pardon me for my wording. But you never ask a question, yo always cite or refer to published materaails instead of thinking of your own using common sense. Common sense as emobied in proverbs and sayings are not properly streuctured, just as othe knowledge representations. Form is used instead of content, which is more difficult to identify, but you can do that, otherwise you would not use proverbs that have surviced hundreds of years of sophism.

Cognitive scientists, brai scientiss and all those people loöoking for a location of an idea in the brain are really funny. They are like x-raying a computer only to find out that if you switch it off, therev is nothiong to be seen.

Cheerio

frank

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From: FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009 8:59:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview

Hi Ron,

Whether you like it or not, NL is based on recursion and context sensitivity. Not only that, thinking is esetablished before learning a NL. All animals thinki one way or another. Natural langauges should be semantically analyses which is not syntax parsing. You have snatched the term from the lingusits, you have robbed library scientists of theri foremer fields called iundexing and building thesauri and all other scientists preparing nomenclatures. MT people robbed translators from their core job - aliognment of a pair of statements verfified against realiyt, not just the dicitonaries - that is rubbuish, that is what peopőle whoö do notm undrstand a language in all directiosns (up and dond and acfross your ontologies) and as a rsult notw thy sepnd 90 pewrcent of theri time by coping with variousa software to translate fro instance pick up basketball into another languiage with terms thatz canniot be tr5anslated without experience of basketball in both countries - of ths same sort, etc.

Have fun

Frank  

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From: Adrian Walker <adriandwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Len Yabloko <lenya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009 8:15:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] web-syllogism-and-worldview

Hi Len --

The problem with the "syllogisms will never work" argument is that, if you allow them to be recursive, they have Turing machine power.  That means that they can compute anything that can be computed.

At a more specific level, you can do useful real world computations with syllogisms.  Please see:

 www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Business_Rules_in_Open_Vocabulary_Executable_English.pdf

 www.reengineeringllc.com/EnergyIndependence1Video.htm  (Flash video with audio)

                          Cheers,   -- Adrian

Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English over SQL and RDF
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com    Shared use is free

Adrian Walker
Reengineering

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Len Yabloko <lenya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I came across this article while using Twine. This sounds a lot like some of the discussions on this forum. Although I don't have a particular position on the issue, I am very interested in comments.

http://www.twine.com/item/11nf8n6bg-csn/shirky-the-semantic-web-syllogism-and-worldview

BTW, Twine seems to be a good format for forums like this one - better than Wiki (IMH0)



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