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Re: [ontolog-forum] What is a good conversation? [was - ISOmergedontolog

To: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:26:42 +0200
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Azamat,    (01)

> But bias, partiality, partisanship, opinions, particular
> views, inclinations, specific attitudes are in the nature of
> human beings. This is aggravated more by the prejudiced
> knowledge management practice. Don't want disappoint you, but
> an impartial mind of a scientist is gone with a partial public
> funding, fixed tenuring, etc. So you have to part with the
> romantic ideas of objective analysis of pros and contras,
> impartial reviewing, honest recognition of facts and truths.    (02)

Sure, "selling corrupts, and selling on a commission corrupts
absolutely."  And don't worry, I have myself long marvelled how
it is that so many of our ilk have managed to soak the EU
taxpayer and produce so little but press releases full of fine
words.  (And you yourself do live south of the Green Line,
presumably...)  And each of us knows a rough country.    (03)

But that is not how I choose to compete, my own experience in
large organizations has taught me that in the end competence can
prevail over that kind of politics, I don't want to know
anything of the villains of your piece (or of any other), and I
expect I shall continue to support Peter in drawing the line
where he does.    (04)

Thanks for your advice, though...    (05)

Now, back to Ontology in practice!    (06)

Christopher    (07)

> But you are right. Unlike other specialized researchers,
> ontologists must be fully committed to a neutral and objective
> consolidation of all existing models and theories on all
> aspects of the world, something what Wikipedia is purposed to
> realize for human knowledge.
> One big problem: the level of some ontology projects are at
> the stage of "demons causing diseases". As typical for this
> pre-scientific stage, their exponents are very pushy, astute
> and quick to form all sorts of "excellency networks", etc. to
> get funded the Middle-Age stuff. What to do and how to stop? I
> don't know.
> I also find that there are many deep thoughts in your
> messages. If they have been compact, then the reader could
> dig, get its diamonds, without digging deeply, considering the
> email formatting. Appreciate your advice how to advance a real
> ontological research and knowledge, getting rid of
> pseudo-ontology projects.
> Regards
> Azamat
> PS: as for the people mentioned, they know the reasons well,
> their FP7 partisanship induced my justified reaction.    (08)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What is a good conversation? [was -
ISOmergedontology effort "MCO"]    (09)

> Azamat,
> There are many ways of behaving like a dispassionate
> ontologist, but I certainly have the impression that this
> speculation on your part is not one of them:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> As such, there is no original NeOn toolkit but so-called
>> OntoStudio, which the EC "bought" for Euro 14, 7 m. No any
>> sensible ontology but a worn OEE of Ontoprise, spamming my
>> email for several years.
>> There is a neon toolkit?  Now wonder what kind of business
>> you are doing there with Roberto Ciceroni as two Scientific
>> Project Officers of Information Society and Media
>> Directorate-General, Knowledge and Content Technologies.
>> Maybe the Commissioner Potocnik knows?
> That is enough for me to support Peter in his request to you
> to take this evidently poisoned subject elsewhere.
> Many thanks, however, for most of your other contributions,
> which do usefully represent a significant viewpoint in the
> history of ontologies.
> Sincerely,
> Christopher.
>    (010)

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