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Re: [ontolog-forum] a skill of definition - "river"

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From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:06:20 +0000
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According to that definition the Okavango is not a river.    (01)

So it is a good example around the issues. Are stretches really "Parts" 
of a river for example?    (02)

I guess it's possible to set out too many characteristics of something, 
rather than just those things which, by virtue of being true of an 
individual, make it a member of that class of thing.    (03)

There are also some interesting mappings between things known as a River 
in English, and the terms in French for similarly river-like things.    (04)

Mike    (05)

Александр Шкотин wrote:
> John has ask for "river" definition (n-s-conditions).
>  
> I am on a way, and have a look at this one from 
> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ontology/
>  
> Well, this is a topographical point of view, and only n-conditions, 
> but looks good (in Protege;):
>  
> http://clip2net.com/clip/m3050/1234375380-clip-16kb.png
>  
> Alex
>  
>  
>  
> 2009/2/11 Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>
>     This is great.
>     A good approach and a clear call to action.
>     Does anyone want to put a link to an ontology on the wiki with a
>     'short'
>     explanation of how it meets some real world need, a description of the
>     domain,  references to any ontologies that are based on it (in any
>     way)
>     and references to any applications that are known to use it or any
>     standards that it describes.
>     Licensing details could be added.
>
>     Get your favourites in early!
>     Make new friends by recommending their ontologies!
>
>     Ron
>
>     John F. Sowa wrote:
>     > Rich,
>     >
>     > No.  We did not agree.
>     >
>     >  > Since John Sowa and Pat Hayes (and possibly Ian Bailey) seem
>     >  > to agree on the following ultra high level ontology, perhaps
>     >  > we should proclaim it an "Initial Ontic Standard" that can
>     >  > be built upon:
>     >
>     >     -Thing
>     >        -Individual
>     >        -Type
>     >          -Powertype.... etc.
>     >
>     > I was expressing a feeling of being distinctly underwhelmed.
>     >
>     > If you take any version of FOL and add some basic mathematical
>     > theories, including versions of set theory, mereology, etc.,
>     > you'd have all that plus a great deal more.
>     >
>     > My basic proposal, which I have been repeating in different ways
>     > for many years, is extremely simple:
>     >
>     >   1. Set up a registry for ontologies with minimal requirements
>     >      for contributions and some basic reviewing for competence.
>     >
>     >   2. Emphasize that ontologies should be constructed from modules,
>     >      and multiple use and reuse of other modules in the registry
>     >      should be strongly encouraged.
>     >
>     >   3. The sequence of uses and reuses would automatically create
>     >      a generalization hierarchy of ontologies -- i.e., if ontology
>     >      X incorporates the module Y, then Y is a generalization of X.
>     >
>     >   4. Any collection of modules that are frequently used and reused
>     >      would be high up in the generalization hierarchy, and they
>     >      would also be prime candidates for being "canonized" as
>     >      the recommended subset for further use and reuse.
>     >
>     > This is very simple.  It doesn't require major funding to get
>     > started.  If a significant number of good modules are widely
>     > used and reused, they would become a de facto standard -- and
>     > a prime candidate for someday becoming a de jure standard.
>     >
>     > Anybody who had developed their favorite ontology would be
>     > encouraged to submit it.  Instead of having some self-appointed
>     > experts decide on the best approach a priori, the developers
>     > who actually do the work would decide which modules they found
>     > the most useful.
>     >
>     > This approach reflects the natural way that people decide
>     > which tools and notations to adopt for their projects.
>     >
>     > John
>     >
>     >
>     >
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