Action actually makes it difficult to even find enough time to read
All of your ideas (01)
Or attend sessions (02)
Thank you all for sharing your ideas maybe we can mashup our actions
when we have time (03)
K Goodier (04)
On Feb 7, 2009, at 11:51 AM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (05)
> Ron and Azamat,
>
> It's important to have an appropriate balance between talk and action.
>
> RW> It appears that there is very little enthusiasm for real work
> here.
>> Endless arguments around the edges of each topic seem to be the
>> flavour of the month. There is very little interest is highlighting
>> areas of agreement except to buttress some argument against someone
>> else's ideas.
>
> I sympathize with that complaint.
>
> AA> ... the Forum happened to collect most advanced minds in the
>> sphere of ontology and ontology engineering. With high
>> organization, the Group can solve most challenging tasks,
>> delivering outstanding products.
>
> I agree with the word 'can'. The group has the *potential* to
> do something important, but there are many email groups like this
> one that have had good participants, but very little *observable*
> results. I emphasized the word 'observable', because many ideas
> that people learn from a book, university, or discussion group
> may eventually be transformed into action.
>
> One thing that facilitates the transfer of ideas into action is
> *money*. An enlightened manager with sufficient funding can often
> transform good ideas into outstanding products. But misguided
> managers can produce disasters. And to protect the guilty, I
> won't cite some cases where the same manager pushed a good idea
> to a brilliant success, was promoted to a more powerful position,
> and later pushed some bad ideas to disaster.
>
> AA> In many Russian village, you may find places where few local
>> senior women, babushkas, sit all day talking about nothing.
>> The content and the purpose are of little importance. What is
>> important, the act of exchanging rumors, anecdotes, and gossips,
>> the process of conversation. Usually, these closed country fora
>> led by gabbiest babushkas, full of trivial news.
>
> I don't want to defend everything that the babushki discuss, but
> there have been sociological studies that show the importance of
> seemingly trivial gossip. If you type "gossip sociology" to Google,
> you'll get over a million hits. Following is the first one:
>
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19960701-000035.html
> The real slant on gossip
>
> Some excerpts below.
>
> If you just read the published literature, you can gather a great
> deal of important detail that has been well reviewed and edited.
> But you also get a lot of mediocre writing that was reviewed,
> considered moderately acceptable, and never proved to be useful.
>
> But there are several important things you don't get:
>
> 1. Detailed debate that evaluates the ideas and provides personal
> experience about how those ideas worked out in practice.
>
> 2. Disasters, which the people involved almost never want to
> publish and the people who were not involved seldom have
> enough information to analyze and explain.
>
> 3. Guidelines about how to act in similar situations and which
> people to trust, collaborate with, or avoid.
>
> The babushki are ruthless in stating their opinions about all
> such issues that affect their daily lives. Many of those issues
> may be trivial on a grand scale, but they can be critical for
> their village or neighborhood.
>
> We have had a lot of useful "gossip" and information on this list,
> but I agree with Ron that we need to develop a more effective
> way to transfer the good ideas into action.
>
> John
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
> Focuses on the benefits from gossiping. Gossip in newspaper columns;
> Primary function of gossip; Gossip among preteens. INSET: The high-
> tech grapevine....
>
> "For a real understanding of our social environment, gossip is
> essential," agrees Jack Levin, Ph.D., professor of sociology and
> criminology at Boston's Northeastern University and coauthor of
> _Gossip: The Inside Scoop_. "Its primary function is to help us
> make social comparisons...."
>
> In the more than two dozen on-line rumors Bordia looked at for study
> of
> how rumors are transmitted via computer, he found that "conversations"
> have a typical pattern: First, they're tentatively introduced,
> generating, a flurry of requests for information. Next, facts and
> personal experiences get shared and the group tries to verify the
> rumor's veracity. Finally, the group breaks up or moves on to
> another topic.
>
> C. Lee Harrington, a professor of sociology at Miami University in
> Ohio, who's conducted her own cybergossip survey, concurs. She says
> chat
> room enthusiasts, like ordinary gossipers, "attempt to establish the
> veracity of the information they're sharing through references to
> outside sources. They rely on secondary sources, refer to personal
> knowledge and relationships, or, as is the case with entertainment
> gossip, claim to have direct connections to it, accounting for their
> 'inside information.'"
>
>
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