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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:13:04 -0500
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Um... sorry if this is a dumb question, but has this (below) got  
ANYTHING to do with ontology?    (01)

Pat    (02)


On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Rick Murphy wrote:    (03)

> Len & All:
>
> Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation was one of my most interesting
> reads this summer. I found his nihilism painful, but I came to
> appreciate his point: that when representation becomes one's  
> reality, we
> lose the basis for material adequacy.
>
> Len Yabloko wrote:
>
>>
>> My answer to that last question is: those who leave by that model  
>> and representation do care. Perhaps all they care about is the  
>> model, because all they know about reality is the representation. I  
>> don't think anybody cares about how the river will look without the  
>> bridge.
>>
>
> Baudriallard's precession of the simulacrum follows the degeneracy of
> reality from material adequacy to pure simulacrum. From the first
> chapter ...
>
> "So it is with simulation, insofar as it is opposed to representation.
> Representation starts from the principle that the sign and the real  
> are
> equivalent (even if this equivalence is Utopian, it is a fundamental    (04)

> ax~om). Conversely, simulation starts from the Utopia of this  
> principle
> of equivalence, from the radical negation of the sign as value, from  
> the
> sign as reversion and death sentence of every reference. Whereas
> representation tries to absorb simulation by interpreting it as false
> representation, simulation envelops the whole edifice of  
> representation
> as itself a simulacrum.
>
> These would be the successive phases of the image:
>
> 1 It is the reflection of a basic reality.
>
> 2 It masks and perverts a basic reality.
>
> 3 It masks the absence of a basic reality.
>
> 4 It bears no relation to any reality whatever: it is its own pure
> simulacrum."
>
> Or folks might remember Neo, in The Matrix, keeps his stash in a  
> carved
> out copy of the book ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3tr0gSNBx4&feature=related
>
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