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Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures

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From: "Len Yabloko" <lenya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:51:30 +0000
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Sean,     (01)

Thank you for "putting a finger" on the problem. I could n't put any better 
myself. I think Wittgenstein would also be happy with it.    (02)

SB> There remains a difficult problem of relating pattern recognition to 
>classification (i.e. I have no idea what the answer is). If there were a 
>fixed set of distinct patterns, then there would be no problem (and, for 
>example, machine vision would have been solved long ago). However, that 
>would also imply that there are a fixed set of "forms of life".     (03)

I have an idea what the answer might be: classification "forms of life" at the 
top combined with "pattern recognition" within each form using "set of distinct 
patterns" that belong to that particular form. The problem is then:  keeping 
patterns inside each form consistent with its classification. I think that 
later problem is less difficult than former.    (04)


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sean Barker [mailto:sean.barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:28 PM
>To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures
>
> The way I was taught Wittgenstein was that the Philosophical Investigations 
>were a repudiation of Tractatus, and particularly of the idea that language 
><b>pictures</b> the world, to replace it by the idea that language is what 
>we use to talk to each other and is founded on the "forms of life" we engage 
>in. The opening section of Investigations contrasts a passage where St 
>Augustine describes learning the names of  things he naturally recognises 
>with a story about buying five red apples. In the latter - which is not 
>about Natural Language Processing, what ever Pat Hayes says - he explicitly 
>denies the need for pictures in the head. The remainder of the 
>Investigations can been seen as a series of therapies aimed to wean us off 
>the "pictures in the head" model of language.
>
> IMO the "pictures in the head" theory has its roots in Plato's theory of 
>forms. From the information processing view, its paradigmatic algorithm is 
>is pattern recognition, in which a signal produces a response in a matched 
>filter (the pattern recogniser) which fires when the convolution of signal 
>and filter crosses a pre-set threshold. The temptation of "pictures in the 
>head" arises from the way our brain presents patterns ready-recognised to 
>our conscious, so that when I look out of my window at an arrangement of 
>red, white and black, I see a house, with no need for further deliberate 
>investigation.
>
> In contrast, the paradigmatic algorithm for language is classification. I 
>have a collection of arbitrary symbols (words) whose forms in no way relate 
>to their usage - so "Kangaroo" might equally mean "Go Away" as naming a 
>hopping animal. In using a language to name something, I use classification 
>criteria that choose between alternative categories (and their names). For 
>example, I would use the term "bird" of an animal which had feathers and 
>walked on two legs.
>
> There remains a difficult problem of relating pattern recognition to 
>classification (i.e. I have no idea what the answer is). If there were a 
>fixed set of distinct patterns, then there would be no problem (and, for 
>example, machine vision would have been solved long ago). However, that 
>would also imply that there are a fixed set of "forms of life". The problem 
>of industrial data exchange is that local organizations evolve their own 
>vocabularies  according to their peculiar business processes, so that 
>information sharing between companies is treacherous. The differences in 
>systems of military ranks between services and countries also exhibits the 
>same problem. (And, by implication, ontologies based on general language 
>usage provide a poor guide to the problems of developing ontologies precise 
>enough interoperation between professional organizations.)
>
> I note in this forum a recurring argument between on one hand the "one 
>upper ontology"/"finite set of basic concepts" school and the "no single 
>ontology" school. That is, in terms of the above, the "pattern recognition" 
>and the "classification" schools of meaning. Since ontology languages seem 
>oriented to supporting classification, it seems the former are confused.
>
>Sean Barker
>Bristol 
>    (05)




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