Len and Frank
John Sowa and other people have talked at
some detail about NLP in several messages in our Ontolog Wiki but probably not
directly under NLP thread. Perhaps looking at keywords in other threads might
Len – you have put the right
perspective – thanks.
I have been thinking about whether it is
right for me to block a notion or a keyword expressed as the reason for this
wonderful planet and the ocean of humanity that we live in, perhaps it is very
hard on me to avoid reference to “Nature”, “God”, “Creator”
or whatever others believe in or not believe in; and I hope I have not conveyed
any implied restriction to Frank in that sense.
The issue arises for me when I think about
“consciousness” of the being:
a central theme for ontologies that deal
with “Things” (material objects, processes and like) and “Relationships”
among them especially using cognitive faculties and semantic technologies. Also
related to Ontology are Epistemology and Axiology especially the formal mathematics
of logic (which John and others might want to further comment on as I am no
how is this consciousness expressible i.e.
totally devoid of historic “Ethnic” or “Atheistic”
I would like to learn about opinion of
colleagues and have no intention of starting a debate, just how the central
player, the “Being” as “Cognizer” in Ontologies, is to
be understood by us collectively as a community in addition to “I am”
or above keywords?
(Dr. Ravi Sharma) Senior Enterprise Architect
Vangent, Inc. Technology Excellence Center (TEC)
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not necessarily imply organizational endorsement.
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FERENC KOVACS
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:22
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Wittgenstein and the pictures
There is a lot to learn for me, one of them is how a thread
is woven and steered on course It is most enjoyable though, despite the fact
that now I am not sure what the original topic was when I joined in.
And I still do not know where and how I can add any points
to the NLP thread, one of my main interests. Like there is a thread on that and
you were contributing to it, and nothing seems to move there since the
beginning of this year.
----- Original Message ----
From: Len Yabloko <lenya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 1 August, 2008 2:35:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures
"Creation" is a (over)loaded world. If the only difference you see is
the speed, then why even mention the words like "God". In that case
it is very easy to reconcile the differences by using neutral word
However, I do see a real difference between "creation" and
"evolution" in that former assumes existence of creator. And I agree
with Ravi that we should not continue that line of argument on this forum
(there are already enough places you can contribute and read about that)
>I do not find evolution and creation different, They are the same thing,
taken a picture of at different speed only
>Creation when time taken is very short, evolution, when many moments
of creation are taken in a row. So what is out constant speed of perception?
>That is not necessarily the point of view of all, and we do not necessarily
want to get into the evolution-creation endless loop!
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